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The Spiritual Network Podcast - Spine App
En la entrevista de Spine: Pascal Voggehuber
¿Qué sucede cuando descubres que puedes ver a los muertos con solo tres años? Pascal Wogenhuber, uno de los médiums espirituales más respetados de Alemania, nos lleva a un viaje cautivador a través de su extraordinaria vida, desde niño asustado que veía a extraños en la escalera hasta autor de renombre y maestro espiritual.
A diferencia de muchas narraciones espirituales, la historia de Pascal comienza con resistencia. Originalmente formado como actor, consideraba sus habilidades como médium como algo de lo que «deshacerse», ya que las encontraba abrumadoras e inconvenientes. No fue hasta la muerte de su padre y una poderosa demostración de comunicación con los espíritus que Pascal reconoció el profundo potencial curativo de sus dones. A pesar de las preocupaciones iniciales de su madre («¿Qué les diré a mis amigos?»), abandonó la actuación y se comprometió por completo con su camino espiritual.
La conversación revela aspectos fascinantes y poco conocidos de la mediumnidad profesional. Pascal comparte el desgaste emocional que supone trabajar exclusivamente con casos traumáticos —asesinatos, suicidios y pérdidas sin resolver— que finalmente le llevaron a dejar las lecturas individuales a pesar de tener una lista de espera de ocho años. Su trabajo con la policía suiza localizando cadáveres y ayudando a resolver casos de asesinato ofrece un contrapunto realista a la imagen a menudo edulcorada del trabajo espiritual.
Quizás lo más sorprendente es la filosofía refrescante y con los pies en la tierra de Pascal. A pesar de sus dieciséis libros superventas y su reconocimiento internacional, no mide el éxito por los logros profesionales, sino por la realización personal. «Mi objetivo en la vida es simplemente ser feliz», explica. «Si tienes miles de personas asistiendo a tus conferencias, pero estás deprimido, nada de eso importa».
Tanto si te fascina la comunicación con el más allá, como si sientes curiosidad por la realidad de la mediumnidad profesional o buscas sabiduría para encontrar la felicidad en circunstancias extraordinarias, esta íntima conversación ofrece una visión poco común de alguien que realmente ha vivido entre dos mundos. Escúchala ahora y descubre por qué a veces nuestros mayores regalos llegan en los paquetes más inesperados.
Hello, my dear Spine community, For the beginning of the Spine interviews today we have a very special guest. He is one of the most well-known spiritual media in the field of German speech and I value that a lot. He is a man from the first hour of Spine. He's a man of the first hour of spine. We love his very pragmatic, human and very charming way of approaching spiritual things, either through contacts with the beyond his best-selling books or also in his conferences. But today we want to get to know the person a little better, with these many gifts, his camino, sus descubrimientos y sus transformaciones que quizás ha experimentado en este viaje. Disfruten conmigo de Pascal Wogenhuber.
Speaker 2:Muchas, muchas gracias por la invitación.
Speaker 1:Con mucho gusto. Pascal, nos conectamos un poco con una entrevista que hicimos hace muchos años Y también en ese entonces me pareció realmente hermoso cómo hablaste de todos estos temas de manera comprensible, con las personas, así que lo que dijiste y cómo lo dijiste fue tan bonito, sí, en realidad, como respirar, y eso siempre me ha parecido extremadamente encantador de ti, realmente realmente muy, muy genial. Por eso me alegra mucho que ahora haya funcionado. Extremely charming about you, really really very, very great. That's why I'm very happy that it has now worked, that we're trying it again after more than 10 years. We did an interview for the first time in Next World, so I want to bring Pascal a little closer to people, especially to those who still don't know you that much. That's why I start with a very big question as an introduction for you what is your goal in life?
Speaker 2:This is also actually relatively simple. Now, everyone is probably expecting something super exciting. My goal in life is actually just want to be happy, period. So that's actually how it is. That's why there's also a book of mine called Enjoy this life.
Speaker 2:That came up at some point when I realized that for me, it's mainly about being as happy as possible. Yes, that's fine. Yes, I've been asked that a lot of times. Or, of course, what is your life plan? What is your life plan? What do you think you want to achieve? What do you think you want to achieve?
Speaker 2:And everyone always thought well, as a medium or in some way as a spiritual coach, you surely have very impressive goals or something like that. I don't know to see that or communicate with that or something. And then I realized many things that I have already lived in my life o comunicarte con eso o algo Y luego me di cuenta de muchas cosas que ya he vivido en mi vida. Al final, se trata solo de si eres feliz o estás deprimido. Dicho de manera tonta, si tienes 16 bestsellers pero estás deprimido, tampoco eres, entonces la vida tampoco es valiosa. Si tienes 100,000 personas en tus conferencias pero estás deprimido, entonces todo eso no te sirve de nada, y eso es también lo que he visto en los últimos your conferences.
Speaker 2:But you are depressed then. All that is useless and that is also what I have seen in the last few years. I mean, I have been in the public eye for 22 years, which you also notice a little, because you see many great references come and go, or you also know the backstage and then one realizes very quickly that not everything that shines is gold and that's why I said very early on for myself I actually only care about being happy and not being especially spiritual. You realize very quickly that my language is not spiritually enough for some, or my appearance is not spiritually enough Too many tattoos and so on but I'm happy, that's it, or at least most of the time, that's it.
Speaker 1:The only thing that matters, in my opinion, of course, and, yes, exactly the things you just summarized, those also define you, pascal, but it was always like that. I go ahead a little. Tell us a little about how your beginnings were. You discovered your gift relatively early. The story has already been told several times. Cuéntanos un poco cómo fueron tus comienzos. Descubriste tu don relativamente temprano. La historia ya se ha contado varias veces, pero quizás nuestros oyentes no la hayan escuchado. Por favor, explícalo un poco.
Speaker 2:Bueno, intentaré hacerlo corto y conciso. Entonces, la mayoría de las veces siempre me preguntan ¿cuándo viste por primera vez a un fallecido? Y eso fue cuando tenía tres años. Así que, en realidad, always ask me when you saw a deceased for the first time? So that was when I was three years old, so actually at three, and for the first time a deceased was also communicated to my mother. So I woke up at night, I had to go down some stairs and there was a man on the stairs like this, and I went to my mother, who was a single mother, and I told her mom there is a man on the stairs and my mother, of course, thought about it must be a thief, because there was no madre soltera. Y le dije mamá, hay un hombre en la escalera. Y mi madre, por supuesto, pensó vaya, debe ser un ladrón, porque no había ningún otro hombre, y fue delante de mí, intentó mirar y luego dijo no hay nadie, pero yo todavía veía al hombre allí. Así fue la primera vez. Y luego está el clásico. Mi madre dijo sí, yes, you're probably just dreaming, you just go back to sleep, everything is fine. And I still remember. The only thing I remember very well is that I saw the man and I knew he was awake. But my mother said well, you're probably dreaming like that and that already seemed a little strange to me at three years old and I always had my best transparent friend. I knew it wasn't visible to everyone, but for me it was absolutely real. It was Hanspi and Zoe, so it was two later, but I think the first one was Hanspi at the time and then Zoe. I realized later that they are spiritual guides and that's where the luck was. My mother simply let me do it. She thought, ah, the boy has simply a little bit of a lot of fantasy, let's do it. And then in reality only like that with yes in my puberty.
Speaker 2:So when I was 10 years old I was already with my mother. At 10 years old I got in touch with spiritual healers. At 10 years old I started meditating with my mother. I found it super exciting. At 10 years old I had a great car accident. I couldn't walk. I had several fractures At that moment. I had just started with martial arts. I wanted to go to the championship but I simply couldn't. I couldn't walk. Then I learned to walk again, but I had couldn't walk. Then I learned to walk again. But I had incredible back pain Today.
Speaker 2:I was here, even at 10 years old, injecting morphine several times because the pain was so strong that the muscles could relax again and so on. And then we went to my mother, worked in the church and there was a new parish and he had a key master and she looked at me. I was sitting like this and she looked at me and said, hey, you have your back broken, right. And I said yes. So she said, hey, do you want to come to my house? I can help you with that. And then she told my mother, yes, that she was a healer, but more like I mean, we must be quiet because you know from the Roman Catholic parish, right. And my mother thought, well, we've tried with some incense. I remember that he took some incense and put them in points probably today I would say, points of merid pain, and I was excited and then, like that, then I could go every Wednesday afternoon to see her. Then I could take books of esotericism. Of course it was another time, it was not like today where there is so much literature, but then I read all the books of Carlos Castaneda perhaps some of you still know him and so the stories, and she showed me how to impose my hands like that.
Speaker 2:Then, however, I got into the field of martial arts a lot, but also there there was always the issue of energy, energy work and so on, and I've always had my friends spiritual and then in youth or in early adolescence I had a better friend who was also very hooked on esotericism and so on, and I always told her about spiritual guides, about the aura and so on, and then we talked about that and over time we simply realized that we could do it. And then I started telling my mother I still see the deceased and that. Tell my mother I still see the deceased and that. And then my mother told me okay, my uncle already had it, my own grandmother, but she had always hoped that this would go away with me, because I had always hoped that it would be like those childhood fantasies that are overcome. But at some point I just stopped talking about that with anyone and I lived it for myself, and only then, I think, at 14 years old again, and then my mother said okay, then let's go to the esoteric fair, because there all the people are like you, and now you have to imagine that was almost a long time ago, that is, more than 20 years ago. I mean more than 20 years ago so. And now we're together there at the esoteric fair and I was in the hip hop scene and I thought, okay, great, everyone is like me.
Speaker 2:I mean young people, hip hop, sneakers, maybe some tattoos and so on. And then it was a completely different scene. It was really that intense esoteric. With aluminum foil on your head, they were constantly smoking you, they were all like that. The youngest were really 45 years old. Today I myself am 45.
Speaker 2:I see it differently, but at that time they were all very old, with woolen sweaters, birkenstock and so on. And I look at my mother and say, kai, how can you say that they are like me? That is very far. And constantly there were images of Jesus and they were spraying you and it was a very intense esoteric. I knew I didn't want that in any way. But there I also met a medium that was formed according to English spiritualism and he was a completely normal guy and he seemed super nice. We talked a little bit. Then he said come see me. So I started to do the training there little by little. So actually I just wanted to go there because I wanted to get rid of that, because my goal was I was at that time also in acting school my goal was to be an actor and I realized that in reality it is so overwhelming, also as an actor, when you perceive so much.
Speaker 1:I can confirm it yes.
Speaker 2:You are also an actress. And then came a moment I was about to finish acting school and then, as you know, sometimes I acted a little bit in the theater, but there you don't win anything. Or maybe you had a movie a year and you were lucky and you had a big role, you won a lot at once, but then it took like 10 months without just winning anything. And then came the decision my father died there and at the same time the decision came I could have gone to Gutted Zeiten and at that time, as an actor, it was like that it was the apogee of Gutted Zeiten and you still received somehow 20,000 euros. And there you thought there I have a safe income, I should do it.
Speaker 2:Pensaste ahí tengo un ingreso seguro¿. Aba, debería hacerlo? Conoces tú también la actuación? Debería hacer algo así o no? Sí¿? Importante para mí, exactamente, y estaba tan indeciso pero justo.
Speaker 2:Estaba en la formación de la escuela de medios y justamente mi padre murió, y entonces uno de los profesores allí hizo un contacto con el más allá, con mi padre, y eso me hizo sentir increíblemente bien. Y ahí fue cuando realmente me di cuenta de lo valioso que es lo que puedo hacer, porque antes para mí era solo así Simplemente notaba que si aprendo conscientemente a usar mis sentidos, puedo controlar todo mucho mejor, así que esa fue mi motivación. I simply noticed that if I consciously learn to use my senses, I can control everything much better. So that was my motivation. And there I really realized how healing all this is. And then I remember I left, I cried, I talked to my teacher, I said hey, I'll do it like this, I'll also be a medium. I leave everything.
Speaker 2:My mother was very bad. She was really good in good times, bad times. For that I told her Mom now I'll be a medium. She said you're crazy. That can't be. What would I say to my friend? You're a good person. Now I could almost say that you're a good time Now. You'd be in esotericism in some way.
Speaker 2:And then I remember that I already told her well, what do you want? Do you want a happy son or do you want a depressive son of good times? And she said yes, shut up, be happy, do your thing like that. Yes, and then I was still in. I had only had three years of my training, because I am classically trained in English. So then I also went to England. I was in total more than eight years, because there the training is very, very long, very, very solid. So it is very different from many who do two, three weekend courses or something like that. Yes, and then at some point my first book arrived, but that was just for fun, in reality, and then it became a bestseller and then a great advance came. So now all this is very summarized.
Speaker 1:Wow, thanks for sharing that. These, these things also private. When, as I said, you saw the accident of that, I didn't know anything until now. But they are those things that in the end, often move us. Those who direct, direct consciousness a little in another direction often move us Absolutely. But I notice that you had rather sponsors. You didn't have so many people who put obstacles in your way, right, because that can be disconcerting.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean, I was very lucky, especially for that time, because one must. For example, today young people can enter Instagram, spineapp or Facebook or they can go to the bookstore and there are tons of spiritual literature. I mean, you have to see it like this my book back then, living in Two Worlds very few people know that Today it is no longer interesting, but it was the first esoteric book on the list of bestsellers. Today it is standard. Yes, the spiritual before me was Beryl Moore with requests to the universe. That's probably what almost everyone knows. But that wasn't yet so typical esoteric. Yes, it was already spiritual, but not esoteric, where it was about extrasensory skills. It was just a completely different time. And even so, because that was in our family or was always an issue, my mother also knew it. My mother just hoped that I wouldn't have it, but she just let me do it. And then I must say that I owe my mother a lot, even with my crazy ideas. Me dejó hacerlo Y después debo decir realmente que le debo mucho a mi madre. Cohece a Auk, incluso con mis ideas locas na a Cristal a Vaux. Así que ya, la primera vez que dije Auk ahora seré actor, pues ella dijo está bien, te apoyo. Entonces seré medium. Quiero decir eso fue en una época en la que no se ganaba dinero con la espiritualidad. Hoy en día, eso ya no. Se money was not earned with spirituality. Today, that cannot be imagined. Today, when one is known, there are congresses where there are huge conferences. So that was before. There were conferences to which 10 people attended. I mean, I was the first at that time in Switzerland who gave seminars with 100 people. Today it is standard. Today there are people who do seminars with 100 people. Today it is standard. Today there are people who do seminars with a thousand people. But it was just a completely different time. It was also a great time. It was different, it was great, and I've always been very lucky. That is to say that I've always had people around me, also my book publisher, who simply believed in me and in my book.
Speaker 2:También mi editora de libros, que simplemente sí creía en mí y en mi libro. Quiero decir nunca en mi vida tuve que buscar una editorial, nunca tuve que ah, cuando veo a otros autores que tienen que escribir guiones con esfuerzo, luego ir de una editorial a otra. Tú también has escrito libros, lo sabes. Así que tuve suerte. La editorial se acercó a mí. Bueno, pero también he hecho mucho, por mi suerte. Eso por supuesto a veces no se ve, pero eso también forma parte ¿Quieres decir que también eres una persona trabajadora?
Speaker 1:¿No, lo dejas Simplemente o sea. Quiero decir, una parte es permitirlo, pero otra parte es también que uno mismo tiene que hacer is to allow it.
Speaker 2:But another part is also that one has to do something right, absolutely. I mean. It's also like that when I think back. That's always an illusion of the vocation. It's always like that where many believe that I just have to find my vocation and then people will come running to me and I won't have to do anything else. My guys, if I'm honest, the first years and it was many years, the first eight years of my independence, I never went on vacation, for example. I did not have time for that. So the first years I also had to learn what it means to be a business man.
Speaker 2:I have been especially dedicated in the spiritual field where everyone tells you well, as a spiritual person, you shouldn't charge money for that, and so on. I'm still in the era it's still early, exactly and until somehow I realized it was like a great enlightenment I had a congress, they invited me, they paid me a thousand francs for being there, for doing a one-day seminar day, so, and then there were like 240 people there and they paid X amount and so on For that. And then I told my best friend. So then he said, hey, incredible that you have reached so many people then ask how much did you receive? So I said yes, a thousand francs for a day. So he says yes, and when do you have the next order? So I said Mike, I have no idea because I think francos por un día.
Speaker 2:Entonces él dice sí, y cuando tienes el próximo encargo? Entonces dije Mike, no tengo idea. En tres semanas tenía algo de nuevo. Entonces él dijo está bien, entonces tienes que vivir tres semanas con mil francos. Y ahora, para que los alemanes, o así, lo entiendan, suiza es un poco más cara que Alemania, así que mil francos, no es tanto. Y luego él preguntó y cuánto ganaron los organizadores?
Speaker 2:Una vez me calculó y me dijo así él ganó 50.000 contigo y tú recibiste mil y estás. I asked him and how much did the organizers earn? Once he calculated and told me ah, yes, he won 50,000 with you and you received 1,000 and you're happy. And so, and there I realized many things. But hey, wait a moment, that can somehow many things go wrong. So I also had to learn a lot, and that at the beginning also was part of it, that the first years I say years I was just happy that I was going from one place to another, I could do my vocation, I did it with pleasure. They paid you a hotel room, they paid you for food and also a little pocket money. But I want to say I lived until I was 28 in my mother's house in the children's room.
Speaker 1:Well, saved money.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I simply didn't have money to move. That was the fact, but in the newspaper it already said that I was a millionaire. I already had three bestsellers published, I was constantly traveling, but the reality was that I was a very bad business man.
Speaker 1:Yes, but the problem is fundamentally another one, and it is the appreciation of these contents that in that time and now still in some way not so serious, but it is still a topic that people give much more value to other things than precisely to these things that you do or that all of us in this room. Of course, in my own way, I also encounter that over and over again, and I think que tú haces o que todos nosotros en esta sala. Por supuesto, a mi manera también me encuentro con eso una y otra vez y pienso Dios, mío gente, aquí se trata de mucho, mucho más que solo qué voy a comer mañana y dónde debo dormir. Eso, por supuesto, también es importante, pero tiene una gran, gran importancia y lamentablemente, muchas personas solo se dan cuenta de eso más tarde.
Speaker 1:Y tú, por supuesto, eres uno de los first points of contact when it really comes to life or death, that is, when one has really encountered death, whether with family members or oneself. But this is still an issue and we hope to be able to change it. I try it my way, you your way, so that we can make this importance and this value more evident. But tell me when you say or not I already know you are really a pioneer in this, also in this pragmatic way of approaching people, and at that time, as you described yourself the first book, when you published it, there were criticisms, because especially when one is a door opener, one always faces criticism or at least doubts. Did you have a problem with that, or did that not even happen, or was everything received in a totally open way by everyone?
Speaker 2:No, I have to say honestly. I mean I was also very lucky. But I must also say that my first book, yes, in reality was actually a failure at the beginning. That is also an interesting story. It was asked in some way 77 times in the pre-sale. That is practically nothing, and I was very introverted at that time. Although I had already finished acting school, I always felt comfortable on stage because I knew what I wanted to do. But in life I was very introverted. I still am today, so I'm not like that. Many are always surprised that I don't talk as much as before, because most of them know me from television or interviews and so on, and my editor always knew me onlyció solo como el joven con la mochila.
Speaker 2:Yo en ese entonces también viajaba en tren, aún no tenía licencia de conducir, nada conocido por ser muy reservado y normalmente también tienes un bautizo del libro. Pero ahora el libro salió, nadie se interesó por él. Entonces mi editora pensó bueno, el chico ni siquiera puede hablar tan bien. Lo incluyo en algún evento espiritual por la noche. Pero no, hacemos una presentación del libro, eso es. Más tarde Ella dijo que pensaron que sí, que de todos modos es solo dinero tirado, por así decirlo. Así que hoy todavía somos muy cercanos y todo eso. Por eso también muy honesta a lo que tenía al principio. All that, that's why also very honest to what I had at the beginning.
Speaker 2:And then she gave me some 10-minute space where other spiritual conferences, and so they told, and she said, simply, you go up to the stage, you say you present your book. And I thought, well, how do I want to present my life in 10 minutes? Because my first book was basically my story how I got there. And then I went up to the stage, I took my, my book. I said Life in Two Worlds. It's my biography, anyone can buy it.
Speaker 2:And then I looked at a woman. I said to her hey, your father is dead. He's here right now. And I gave him a contact with the beyond. I described exactly how his father was, what had happened and so on, what were the topics that were still pending. And it was at a time when no one in the world of German speaking made contacts with the other side or not in this way of test contacts with the other side, as they are known in England, and people were super shocked for me. Of course, it was already normal in England, often demonstrated in the church. That was something common, and after ten minutes I said goodbye, I took my backpack and returned to England because la iglesia, eso era algo común y después de 10 minutos me despedí, tomé mi mochila y regresé a inglaterra porque todavía estaba en una formación continua y en aquel entonces también era así que tu móvil, si alguien te llamaba desde el extranjero, pagabas como cinco francos por minuto, así que siempre tenía mi móvil apagado hasta que me quedaba sin dinero.
Speaker 2:Entonces organizaba mi regreso a casa, generalmente volvía a suiza, trabajaba unos meses. Cuando tenía suficiente dinero, de nuevo volvía until I ran out of money. So I organized my return home Generally. I went back to Switzerland, worked for a few months. When I had enough money again, I went back to cross. So because at that time I had my book. But well, it was a failure, so I couldn't live off that I cleaned on the other side.
Speaker 2:So I was in England, I had my mobile phone off and then, I think after two or three months, I don't remember well, I turned it on and then I realized that my publisher had tried to call me many times. So I called back from England and they asked me where I was and I said, yes, I am in England, I said, and then I said, yes, but now I'm going to go home because I don't have money anymore. So and then she says, yes, your book has become a bestseller after your appearance. People call me, I have reserved sessions, people wanted you for congresses. I have reserved them all because I was two and a half years completely busy with some things and she didn't have much idea. So sometimes I had sessions in the morning, at night I had a workshop and so on.
Speaker 2:But it was a great time because the editorial house was also starting and of course we both became successful together. And at the beginning the press was also in Switzerland. I always seemed much younger than I was, because at that time I was already 28, but I looked more like 22, 23. And the press I mean the official press was totally well, let's say, enthusiastic with me. In reality nobody was interested in exactly what he did, but it was more the guy with a sweater, with a hood, who actually looks more like a hip hopero who does spirituality, and that at first nobody criticized him or anything like that. Only in reality, after, I think, approximately four years, when people realized, ok, the fourth book, the fourth bestseller the rooms are always full, the seminars are always complete.
Speaker 2:It was when some journalists, I think, started to calculate or thought, wow, he makes a lot of money there.
Speaker 2:It became a problem. In other words, in reality success was desired by everyone while I was the young man with the backpack that did not even have a driving license, who lived in the room of mom's children. But when I became an adult and maybe I moved and also bought a driving license or a car, that's when it really became a problem, but at first really for nothing. Then I had a really hard time, also on the part of the press, where they became really cruel and personal. But in the end I always say it was but it made me even more successful. That was Facebook. I remember that I had like 25,000 people on Facebook. After the press battle I had like 80,000 people on Facebook. That's all also a bit sometimes a curse and a blessing at the same time, because through that many people met me and then said well, I think the guy is so humble that what was written in part they just didn't realize that it probably doesn't correspond to reality.
Speaker 1:Has it affected you in any way? Over the years, you also did individual sessions, but you no las haces, ¿verdad?
Speaker 2:Sí, ya, no hago más desde hace mucho tiempo.
Speaker 1:Pasó algo, entonces debe haber habido alguna decisión en ti de hago sesiones individuales, no hago más. ¿cuál fue el punto decisivo ahí?
Speaker 2:Sí, el punto principal decisivo fue, por supuesto uno debe imaginarse un contacto con el más allá al principio, cuando todavía daba sesiones individuales donde casi nadie me conocía. Ahí también tenías casos más sencillos Con el tiempo, a medida que uno se hace más conocido o sea. Quiero decir también hay que ver tuve muy rápido dos años de tiempo de espera. Al final tenía ocho años de tiempo de espera. Así, except if someone was very flexible, then they were six years. So, and that one can't imagine it.
Speaker 2:And I didn't do a session per week, but I did four to five sessions a day. So that was really incredible and at beginning, when you are so young, it was great because in the end it also gave security. But at some point you think, hey, wait a minute, I have to now, I want to go on vacation in six years. So I had to plan my life six years in advance. If now you have a partner, just as an example, no woman would think it's great to be with a guy who has planned his life every day with six years in advance. He didn't have gaps. So at some point I started planning my vacations first, but all on average with years in advance, and that was simply no longer manageable, because if I was sick for a week or I was absent, you can't imagine what the whole system is. That meant for me that I had to recover the sessions until late at night, like this, and honestly I no longer felt joy and the cases became more and more extreme.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean, I didn't have anyone. Nobody waits 2, 3, 4. Quiero decir no tenía a nadie. Nadie espera dos, tres, cuatro, cinco años porque la abuela murió Así que solo tenía asesinatos, solo suicidios, solo cosas sin resolver, y tenía personas que venían en parte de París, de Canadá, de Afganistán, de todas partes viajaban, así que estaban dos tres días también. I mean just travel time and hotel costs and that, and at some point, I mean Spavbostek charged 150 francs per hour, but some had to spend a thousand and more francs just for travel costs. That was so.
Speaker 2:Zoom didn't exist as it does today, yes, and that was, of course, voluntary, but the pressure was also strong. When you knew that, for example, for a while I had politicians from Afghanistan who came regularly there, I thought, wow, the pressure, simply the costs that people also assume, and so on, and at some point I realized that it was no longer healthy for me, the expectation, the pressure without rest too. That was the main reason, even today, for which I no longer give sessions, because at the end of 2014, I also had a television program and there we made a call precisely looking for some people, for individuals. I mean, how did we want to draw it? Un llamado precisamente buscando algunas personas para individuales, o sea cómo queríamos dibujarlo? Tuvimos más de 5.000 inscripciones en media hora, entonces no se puede imaginar qué masas son esas.
Speaker 1:Te das cuenta de que la humanidad necesita fundamentalmente lo que haces mucho, y creo notar que ahora te estás inclinando más hacia el trabajo de formación, ¿verdad?
Speaker 2:Sí, bueno, he formado dos clases. Mis clases duran entre cinco y siete años, así que también hago estas largas. Acabo de terminar una clase y ahora también hago una pausa. Sería naturalmente muy. Siempre digo así dar formación es muy atractivo, pero también digo siempre así mis formaciones son también así. Ahora intento poner a los estudiantes en camino, porque lo difícil es siempre así. Hay muchos medios también, hay realmente muchísimos medios bien formados, o sea no sólo los que han sido formados por mí, sino también por otras escuelas o colegas, pero aún así, no, not only those who have been trained by me, but also by other schools or colleagues. But even so, they do not have that affluence, because it is naturally like that One owes people In the therapist today.
Speaker 2:It is already part of it. You have to go out, you have to show yourself, so people also need to gain confidence, especially in our field. It is difficult for people to trust you, and there I was lucky. If you have written books, if you have given interviews on television and so on, people trust you a lot more because there is a lot of information about me. There have always been many videos, many interviews and so on, and that's what most therapists don't have. But yes, that's why I'm already training right now I don't, or, above all, I actually want to. Today I see myself like this I want to draw the attention of people. Hey, there is life after death, we all have extrasensory abilities and I want to present them in an entertaining way and then distribute them. So those who want to move forward, maybe they should go to a training. One can come to one of my courses, or someone may need a therapist. So I see myself more like hey, that exists, and then people distribute it, so to speak.
Speaker 1:Have you noticed any change over the years in the people who have come to you? I mean regardless of the most difficult cases in the individual sessions. But the people who now come and request these trainings are in some way different from when you started. Has something changed?
Speaker 2:Yes, well, now I can only speak for myself Now. Yes, today it is for me, of course, much, much easier because basically the people who come to me definitely already trust me because they have already experienced a lot, a lot. I mean. At first I had to imagine when sometimes I opened the door of my office, they asked for my father because they thought that a young boy could not be the one here. Of course they did not know me yet. Or also, there I had to prove myself over and over again. So in reality, the first 15 years I always say I had to prove myself over and over again. That is why I also did so many.
Speaker 2:I had many contacts with the beyond, from the stage. So the public was there. Yes, the so-called demonstrations and that's why I got really known, because there were large halls and described the deceased with so much precision that only a family or a person recognized them. That always gave me an additional boost, but it was also. I liked to do it, but it was always.
Speaker 2:One had to prove himself. I don't have to do that today. Today I trust the people who come to the training. I don't have to. In Zulcam, like in the first class of training, most still came to an individual reading and looked can this guy do something now with the second class? Well, it is not possible because I no longer give more, but they simply came. That is definitely something that has changed, or, in general, today it is much, much easier to get information in general for people. But what I also notice is that today there are many more people confused because esotericism offers so many different things that it is already very, very difficult to recognize that it is really serious or that it is already going in a very, very strange direction. Or there are many things today where I say that there is a lack of foundation and that, of course, confuses many people as well.
Speaker 1:Good. But this diversity is also part of everything and people follow the resonances in every way, so I also think that it attracts itself to where one belongs. But you are definitely very well guided. If you tell me that you que eres introvertido, bueno, debo decir honestamente, yo también estuve en el Arthur Findlay College y experimenté un poco allí. Morí en estas demostraciones, así que eso lo admiro mucho. Eso significa que ya llevabas mucha fe en tu don desde bastante temprano. Eso es genial, genial de ver, de verdad.
Speaker 2:Sí, creo que sí, por supuesto, en aquel entonces, por ejemplo, en el Arthur Findek College en primer lugar, hoy en día es muy abierto. Hay la semana suiza, la semana alemana y así sucesivamente. Digo hoy en día, cualquiera puede ir, reservas un curso y te inscribes. Antes no era así y yo era, por supuesto, el más joven y eso me ayudó mucho lot. Imagine if you are 15, 16 years old in those courses and all the ladies are over 45.
Speaker 2:I always awakened maternal feelings in them and it didn't matter if it was naughty, it was fine, I was allowed to, or it wasn't my favorite, but I could simply. No one expected anything from me and I never had that pressure. So when I sometimes see people who come to me today who want to be good or achieve something, I didn't have it Because I was originally there. I wanted to get rid of that. I didn't want to learn it, but to get rid of it, and that lightness of course helped me incredibly, and especially in the maturfin of the college. I mean that was also really difficult before, before it was said that it is the elite school of sensitivity and mediumship, or also those demonstrations of which you speak now. That was not difficult for me, because before me there were all the ladies and gentlemen and then the young man came behind and in England is actually during church. Nobody judged you there whether you were good or not. That is part of the faith and I've always been lucky, or due to my young age, that I never had that pressure. I must say honestly I can very well. He is the most emotional type. It doesn't work either. So I also say, for example, with my students I have always noticed not how much talent they have, but how stable they are psychologically and if they have a healthy emotion, because if someone is extremely emotional they crumble. So that has to be taken into account. I mean I've had days or weeks in which I've only had parents whose children have died. There is still nothing worse for me than when a child dies, of course also when your partner dies, when your mother dies. Everything is terrible, but your own son, especially if he is taken from life maybe by murder or suicide. That leaves very deep marks. And not only do you have, because contact with the other person is always the strangest thing for me. You make contact with the deceased. It doesn't matter who died or how he died, they are really well, they are super happy.
Speaker 2:Lo extraño para mí tomas contacto con el fallecido, no importa de que murió o como murió. Ellos están realmente bien, están súper felices. Nunca he visto a un fallecido que no esté bien, o esas historias extrañas que a veces se cuentan todo bien, pero tienes. Tienes por otro lado a los padres, y los padres quizás no pueden sentir al niño o verlo o algo así. Los padres también sí que tal vez, si el niño se ha suicidado, viven entonces con, con sentimientos de culpa y or see it, or something like that.
Speaker 2:The parents also know that maybe if the child has committed suicide, they then live with feelings of guilt and so on. And this heaviness experiencing it every day, and also that pressure again, because even when sometimes the contact was good, sometimes you noticed that the messages did not touch the heart because the heart was already so hardened by that loss and I realized at some point that it became more and more difficult. That heaviness Also being alone every day with people in mourning. So well, my daily routine was death and so on, and I also did a lot of accident research era muerte y así, y también hice mucha investigación de accidentes. Trabajé dos años y medio para la policía buscando cadáveres, ayudando a resolver casos de asesinato y así, y eso porque al principio era así, me parecía también suena un poco tonto, un poco genial en los primeros casos de la policía. Porque ahora tienes siempre pensaba ahora he alcanzado un estatus donde puedo, sí ahora puedo first cases of the police. Because now you have always thought, now I have reached a status where I can. If now I can show that I am serious, I work officially with the police.
Speaker 2:So it is at the end you realized very quickly that you were getting into a field that simply loads even more your psyche. I want to say, said in a silly way, the most frequent thing I did was to look for corpses. That is when they did not find someone, and then you have to be present in the place. It is not that you are sitting at home in front of the PC and say, yes, you in Zurich, on Basler 2 street, that's how people sometimes imagine it no, sometimes you're in the place. Or until you said here in the Rhin there is an erosion.
Speaker 2:So they verified it. It's true, buses entered there and then they, for example, took someone out and you were next to them. And those are also images and experiences that in some, somehow you do have to process and I noticed that at some point because I had so many people it was hard for me to process it. And then I also noticed that it made me emotionally even more distant. But I do think you must be a bit of the guy for that. I mean, if you do it on the scale that I did it, del tipo para eso, o sea, si lo haces a la escala en que yo lo- hice, pero te habías de alguna manera.
Speaker 1:al final tuviste que ver con asesinatos mucho. ¿te impactó de alguna manera, como diciendo ah, aunque eso siquiera exista ¿O no fue esa la pregunta para ti?
Speaker 2:No a mí. A mí me ha sido, por ejemplo, lo que me conmociona, o al principio fue difícil para mí, no, I think, for example, what makes me emotional or at first was difficult for me because, for example, the resolution of a murder almost doesn't work through the deceased. I had always imagined it so easy and I thought, well, I'll just ask the victim what have you noticed? How was the type? But 99% has always told me, no, that is part of my life plan. So actually the clarification was never about the deceased, but rather about sensitive work, that is, the energies of the place were read and observed, how the author was, if he was known, and something like that. So that would probably be too much for the podcast. But actually because the deceased never, and that always, because they always said that that is part of it, and for me at some point it also became more difficult because certain causes of death should never be part of our life and for them it's fine. And also the deceased always say hey, don't make a drama here, you will also come soon and we will all be reborn and then the game will start again. So sometimes for me it was difficult, this death and suffering. But here when I found out hey, everything is really going well for them and we meet again, and that I found that very difficult.
Speaker 2:Of course, there were some things at some point. I mean, for example, the Swiss police had a very high rate of clarification. I don't know how it is today, but at that time, with regard to murder cases and in reality, the things I which I was involved, those were precisely the things that were not resolved and most of the times they were also a little organized crime, bigger. That is where there was. And when I became a father, sometimes I just thought, or it's fine, I don't want to get involved anymore, because I always had to sign contracts, the police can't protect me. I was basically like a private person, that is, a private person who gives advice, but I didn't have any special status like to, I don't know, be able to arm myself or something like that. And of course there was once when we were with a colleague where we were in a murder case, where we entered a place where the police said that probably the victim and the perpetrator were together, but there was a surveillance camera and the main suspect was the owner of the building.
Speaker 2:And then I realized that I slept very badly because we simply didn't check well and we were walking through the surveillance cameras. So, yes, and then I thought no for a knife that sometimes the police gave me when you solved something or something like that. I didn't do it anymore.
Speaker 1:I understand, I can totally understand it, but it is still an interesting job and, in reality, also important. Yes, but now let's go back to your other activity, and now you have released a new book. It is about aura great question, the experiment myself. Now I have released number 10 and I think now everything is really said, and I think you also said once that you didn't think that there was still something to come. How did you get to Aura then? Was it a topic for you? So in your previous work it has become bigger and bigger, so that you really write a little more about that than about Pascal.
Speaker 2:No well, aura is my sixteenth book and I am completely convinced that I wouldn't publish any more books. I also told my publisher so, and Aura has always been part of my work. Kimes always found it exciting. He just said yes, well, now I can make another book about Aura, so people would also buy it. But is the book necessary now? I mean, I didn't see the sense. And then it was like that I had a online course and that was also, and then, since the coronavirus, our team is not as big as before. Then we had a launch of a online course and we planned as an emergency.
Speaker 2:Luego tuvimos un lanzamiento de un curso en línea y planeamos como emergencia que no aceptaría otros encargos durante dos semanas porque me necesitaban en la oficina, así que si los de soporte necesitaban a alguien que ayudara con correos electrónicos o algo así. Entonces eso estaba planeado y luego comenzó el curso y por suerte, no hubo problemas técnicos. Pero ahora estaba allí y no tenía nada que hacer durante dos semanas Y pensé ¿qué hago? Y luego mi guía espiritual dijo ahora escribes el libro sobre Laura. Entonces dije sí, eso es una idea muy buena en realidad, porque me encanta escribir, amo escribir sobre todo.
Speaker 2:Solo escribo libros cuando sé así que tengo que hacer. Sí, está bien, ahora es el momento. Entonces lo escribí, pero no me tomó tanto tiempo. Luego llamé a la editorial y dije oye, ¿tienen tiempo? En primavera he terminado otro libro. Estaban contentos, y así es Aura. Pero también dije ahora me he escrito todo, pero acabo de terminar una novela espiritual. Ahora pensé que sería genial si también fuera bien recibida Takut Shab. Pues I want to say no, the novel is incredible. It's a story that you can tell 100,000 stories.
Speaker 1:Yes, and it reaches people in a completely different way, that is, to people who don't necessarily want to read specialized books, but who really feel attracted to the stories. We all know that Harry Potter is quite spiritual.
Speaker 2:I'm a fan of Risa, risa, harry Potter, you too, yes, mega. But unfortunately I always say, if I could write like JK Rowling, then that would be great.
Speaker 1:Yes, well, but you've done other great things in that time. She simply used that time for that. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1:Everything is always a matter of focus. That's en ese tiempo. Ella simplemente utilizó ese tiempo para eso. Sí, exacto, todo es siempre una cuestión de enfoque. Eso es cierto, sí, pero ¿sabes qué encontré tan fascinante, también lo he leído A propósito. Me parece genial, me parece muy, muy importante que lo hayas hecho muy, muy bonito. Puedo recomendarles enormemente los consejos prácticos. Siempre me gusta también ser científico, así que un poco como estar en un camino científico, y me he preguntado ¿quién ve el aura? Porque los ojos, las fórmulas de nuestros ojos ven, por ejemplo, diferente a las fórmulas del ojo de un perro, por ejemplo. Esta es una pregunta realmente extraña. Pero ¿te has puesto a pensar en eso Que cuando se al final final defines el aura a través de las recetas del ojo humano, o es algo diferente lo que ve?
Speaker 2:esa es mi pregunta en el libro también se trata de si se ve objetivamente desde afuera o subjetivamente desde adentro. Y si ahora vemos la aura objetivamente, es decir, and if now we see the aura objectively, that is, really from the outside, then we really work on the eyes, the receptors and so on. But I want to say another interesting question that Konka has always had. For example, you are a woman, I am a man, for me there is light green, dark, green, green. So I learned very quickly that when I said, yes, here is light green. So I learned very quickly that when I told him, yes, here is light green, then the women said, no, that's green thylo, that's mint green or I don't know what else. So here too, of course, each person has their own palette of colors, and that's why I also say in the book that in reality, the true art is to develop your own dictionary, and so it is like the true impressive aura readers that I know all have their own dictionary, and that is actually why I never wanted to make a book of auras, because my publisher at that time they said hey, pastas, that would be great, you simply make a book of mi editorial.
Speaker 2:En ese entonces ellos dijeron oye, paschas, eso sería genial. Simplemente haces un libro de auras y das tu léxico de colores, así la gente puede simplemente consultar. Es mi spine, y antes siempre decía hey, no, he trabajado durante años en mi léxico de colores y así, y no quería regalar este conocimiento por 18 euros de alguna manera. Simplemente soy así. Quiero decir, he trabajado en ello durante más de 15 años, pero ahora, poco a poco, tengo 45 años. Tal vez pronto me jubile o algo así no, ya, no, y ahora, de alguna manera, ya, no me importa tanto o sea, todavía vale mucho para mí. Pero hoy estoy en un punto donde digo oye, simplemente lo doy también. Les muestro el camino, cómo hacer su propio diccionario de colores, pero también les a point where I say hey, I just give it to you. I also show you the way to make your own color dictionary. But I also give you a large part of my color dictionary, because a very big part is actually what these colors mean now.
Speaker 2:So and before, I always thought no, I want that. People were this old English, thought that they must work on themselves. No, because in England I never received a sheet how do you say it? A sheet like that? So those sheets that are distributed. And I still remember when I started teaching in Switzerland. Everyone asked me well, do I receive an exercise notebook, or where are the sheets, the work sheets? I said you can write it all yourself, or something like that. But that's how it was in England. I never received a sheet or something to read. We had to work everything by our own account, like that. And there I have. That, for example, a big difference from before in England. Today, unfortunately, it is no longer like that. But that mentality really invested a lot in oneself and in his training and so on. And here it was more and more like this Well, I paid for this course, and now you have to make sure that at the end of the course you meet my spiritual guide. So, and yes, that is a completely different mentality.
Speaker 1:So Exactly yes, although I find it very good, as you say, as it was in your case at that time, because I didn't receive any flyers either. But regardless of that, it's a lot of disposition, really, people and their disposition to want to really learn. I don't want to say try, but definitely challenge, because it also has to do with discipline. It's not a walk, yes, and one really paseo, sí, y uno realmente tiene que quererlo. Entonces yo tengo, por ejemplo, sobre tu catálogo de colores. No tengo exactamente sobre eso, pero en general me llevé. Yo también estuve mucho tiempo en mi escuela en Berlín y lo primero que nos dijeron los profesores y quiero compartirlo con ustedes aquí, no nosotros, us, not the cosmos changes. He is in his laws and things as they are as they are in reality, always the same, but always the same in change. Only what really changes is us, our perception, and there you are right. Everyone should dedicate themselves to their own perception, capture it and work on that catalog with it. But even so, I think it's good that you give a guide.
Speaker 2:Yes, today I'm more relaxed. I realized very quickly eh so you can't teach like they taught us in England. So the Swiss are all. I was a complete psychopath before, because when the class started at half an hour I closed the door at half an hour. Right, and that is. If someone arrived a minute late, then I had traveled three, four hours, but the door was closed because that's how it was.
Speaker 2:In Stansted too, it was an honor before you could be in Stansted and there you would never have contradicted your teacher, for example, or arrive late or something like that. That simply did not exist. But then I realized very quickly hey, pascal, you can't do that. People don't understand philosophy, because here it was more like a hobby. You offer a hobby activity, huh, like that. In England, where I was, it was a professional training and where not everyone was accepted. It was almost like in the acting school, you know, 800 people auditioning, 12 seats available, like that. And at that time it was like that you had to meet someone who was already in a circle and then you could observe and there they evaluated you. If you could continue like that, it was like that. But it's also great that today everything is much more open, but it was also nice.
Speaker 1:Yes, of course, both have their justification. Now it's more open, yes, but that's why sometimes it's not as challenging as it was. In your time, you had the hardest school and that made you what you are, and that's great. Yes, ¿hubo algo en estas cosas que te tocó más.
Speaker 2:Hamza? ¿entonces te refieres a contactos con el más allá o algo así Mucho? Pero algo que me quedó en la memoria es de alguna manera fue una joven, de alguna manera. Recuerdo que llegué a la oficina y entonces la dama que trabajaba en mi oficina en ese momento dijo the office. And then the lady who worked in my office at that time said hey, we have a request from a 23-year-old girl who is dying, that is, she has a terminal illness and she would like to have contact with the beyond. We have to advance it like this. You do it, you don't do it, because then lo haces. No lo haces porque entonces adelantarlo significaba de alguna manera que tenía que planearlo en mi tiempo libre. Y luego recuerdo que primero pensé no entendí del todo lo que ella quería de mí, porque luego recuerdo como lo dije en la oficina y luego digo sí, pero yo no soy, o sea, también aprendí sanación espiritual, pero no era el gran sanador. Entonces dije hey, ella está equivocada conmigo. I should go to a healer better.
Speaker 2:I always thought she was waiting for me to heal her, and then I said no, I don't think that's what it's about. She just wants to have contact with the beyond. And then my spiritual guide gave me an impulse. I just said yes, and I always say when they tell me I have to make an exception in some way. And then I remember I said yes, and this young woman came and I looked at her. So I saw that I actually only saw her grandmother, but that in reality everything was resolved. So I said hey, I have your grandmother here, but in reality everything is resolved. She said, yes, that's right. And then I thought to myself for a moment Now I'm making the emergency appointment, but somehow everything is correct. And then I thought for myself a moment Now I make the emergency appointment, but somehow everything is resolved.
Speaker 2:But then the grandmother explained to me no, actually she is here because she is so afraid of dying and just wants to find out if there really is a life after death, to be able to die in peace. And then I explained that to her and she said exactly why she is here. And then I told her some things about her grandmother, and so it was not an outstanding session from my perspective. But she looked at me later and said that was the biggest gift I'm not afraid of death anymore.
Speaker 2:So then she went home and two days later his parents called and said that he had really slept and could die and that he was just so at peace. He was just at peace for the last two days and that has touched me a lot, not even because of the contact with the beyond in some way. I mean, I've lived a thousand more spectacular or shocking stories, but I simply learned that healing can also be when your soul finds peace and you can go further simply without fear, without worries and so on, and that is something that affects me a lot. And if not, I have lived many funny, shocking stories or something like that, but most of the ones that touch me the most were divertidas, impactantes o algo así, pero la mayoría de las que más tocan fueron esas pequeñas cosas donde uno piensa vale no es tan impactante.
Speaker 1:Gracias por compartir eso. Realmente lo encuentro muy conmovedor. Wow, en tales casos, cuando trabajas así, ¿escuchas o sientes los aján pensamientos o los impulsos de los fallecidos.
Speaker 2:Siempre digo, él me dice o ella me dice, pero en realidad no es así. Es este escuchar lo que muchos piensan. Sí, esta voz de los pensamientos, pero esta voz de los pensamientos en realidad viene del subconsciente. Es en realidad fantasía o generada desde el subconsciente? Siempre digo, él me dice, ella me dice, but it's more like a language of images and feelings and not really through listening. I always say that listening is always dangerous because it is pathological. Well, that shows very quickly, or it is our subconscious of desires. That is also, for example, when many, for example, work with the spiritual guide or with the guardian angel or whatever you want to call it, and messages are received like that, that is, they are heard but it is never known that it is real or that it is not real. That is most of the time when the person is really more connected to the subconscious and when you really observe the spiritual world. Spiritual world can be very, very precise. So also when clear messages are really received, that can really be tested. For example, my spiritual guide. When we launched the new course we just launched a spiritual guide course in the last few days my spiritual guide already had told me how many people would sign up. And there I said that's impossible, it can't be, because that would be almost double what's normal. It's not possible. And my spiritual guide said yes, gosh. And then I remember I told my team hey guys, do you know what I received? So strange. Now I'm completely immersed in my fantasy world. There's nothing else. We made a lot of jokes, yes, but today, I mean yesterday was the end and we have exactly the number, so we're even a little above. And I thought, okay, it's weird, and that's what I mean. The spiritual world is precise. And so we can learn to say hey, I always give silly examples because, for example, we werey ejemplos tontos porque, por ejemplo, estábamos en una ciudad desconocida, mi esposa y yo, el GPS falló. Luego ella dice bueno, pregunta a tu guía espiritual. Él también sabe dónde Buscábamos Rehue¿, dónde está Rehue? Entonces digo sí, bien, ¿dónde? And then you're either in front of a regue or you're not in front of a regue, but in the end you know if you're well or you're not well, and that's how we really train. So this is to be practical, not so much when do you come from.
Speaker 2:There's also Lucia Morayi, semi-stands, camp, things that we can't prove. But I want to know about my spiritual guide when is? ¿dónde está Regüe? Ahora Es como, por decirlo de manera tonta, o durante el coronavirus, lo hicimos a menudo, así que fuimos a algún lugar en el bosque o algo así, y decimos vale, llévanos al lugar más bonito aquí, y luego encontraste una cascada impresionante o algo así, y eso fue cada vez.
Speaker 1:Eso es para mí entrenamiento en la vida diaria, y vivir así con todo es increíblemente divertido. Tiene mucho que ver con la confianza. Confías completamente Y lo que también es muy importante, es tu recipiente. Lo diré así, tu cuerpo es debe de lo contrario. Todo esto no funcionaría, básicamente, sin grandes bloqueos para que esta información pueda fluir pura o a través de ti. Y luego llegas a este sentir, escuchar como lo llamas para que los impulsos. Es un trabajo altamente emp. You get to this feeling, listening, as you call it, so that the impulses. It's a highly empathetic work, ultimately highly sensitive, so that you really perceive these impulses, because if there are thoughts in the head or, unfortunately, if one has pain in the body, then that distracts everything.
Speaker 2:So those are in my opinion the biggest keys. Absolutely, because that's something very good that many don't know. Also the body, because when I sometimes say no, a good training takes years and not two or three weekends. Sometimes the very smart ones come and say yes, but I have it since my birth. So I say yes, just seeing things from birth doesn't mean that you yourself have ordered.
Speaker 2:Because if, for example, someone is jealous by nature, then and now he tries to read the man to his man. The woman is perhaps by nature constantly suspicious, jealous, so she has many patterns and blockages here. She cannot read the man impartially. She will always be detached, she will always be, and the therapist also has his patterns and blockages. But he must have known and felt them. Okay, here I am being triggered, or here I am following a pattern, or ideally I have already worked on it, and that takes years. So that's just the way it is.
Speaker 2:Or also the processing. Very few know that If one maybe from time to time sees a little bit of a deceased, naturally, and maybe once a week, there is also a contact with the beyond. That holds it well a psyche if you are stable. But if that is your job and you give three to five sessions a day, then you must also have learned how process this, so that I myself also continue to be happy like this. That is also when you look at psychologists if you have this saying basque, or most psychiatrists and psychologists need a therapist because naturally they are in this field every day that we have to imagine our subconscious hay que imaginarse nuestro subconsciente Si ahora, como psicólogo, hablo siete horas al día sobre problemas de amor o sobre enfermedades? Nuestro subconsciente no puede distinguir si estamos hablando de tus problemas o de mis propios problemas.
Speaker 1:Sí, absolutamente Estoy de acuerdo contigo Y lamentablemente no muchas personas son conscientes de esto. Pero el tema de establecer límites es otro tema diferente¿ Cómo se establecen límites? And unfortunately, not many people are aware of this, but the issue of establishing limits is another different issue. How do you establish limits, how do you protect yourself from these things? Because, on the one hand, you want to do the job, but you leave your mark, right, Of course, logical. Is there something I want to say in general, something that you would say in a general way, that you would like to give them for their life in their search for answers?
Speaker 2:Yes, in general. Yes, to be happy. That is one thing. The other is also what I learned from my principal teacher. It is always like that and I want to share that a little with all those who are in this spiritual field, who maybe also do some exercises from time to time, or maybe they are starting.
Speaker 2:My teacher always said do an exercise a thousand times, and only when you have done it a thousand times you can judge if you can or cannot do it. And only when you have done it a thousand times you can judge if the exercise is good or not, si el ejercicio es bueno o no es bueno. Us can fight us. I will assault you. Esa es mi filosofía, porque a veces me pasaba que entrenábamos un ejercicio durante dos años y medio. Siempre lo mismo, siempre el mismo procedimiento, siempre lo mismo. Entonces simplemente también eres un experto absoluto en eso porque siempre lo has repetido, y aquí a veces cuando doy un seminario de fin de semana. So you're just also an absolute expert in that because you've always repeated it. And here, sometimes, when I give a weekend seminar, if I really wanted people to really learn something good, I would have to say a whole weekend, 10 hours, just an exercise, repeat it over and over again, always the same. But that, of course, is not possible. And so on a weekend we do an exercise once or twice and then people measure themselves immediately and say, oh no, I can't do it. I can't do it. Yes, you just have to do it 999 times more, then you can do it. But here we have the feeling that no, I'm now on the weekend, I've paid here I don't know 300 euros and I can't do it because the first time it didn't work. And that's what I want to convey Do it a thousand times. And when you've done it a thousand times, you can do it. So I think that's also. I think one of my secret recipes is I don't know if that's really it A teacher always said you're just talented above average, and then I said I don't think so, but I trained incredibly much every day because I come from sports. I also did professional sports for a while and in martial arts I learned since I was little it's okay to always repeat the same thing, always repeat the same thing. That's also the reason, for example, for the book.
Speaker 2:Now I had eight hours to write Really yes, and there everyone says, wow, incredible, and how do you do it? I say very simple, but I have spent the last 20 years talking for thousands of hours about auras, so I don't have to, like certain authors, investigate for durante meses y saber qué más. En el libro del aura, lo único que he investigado son las historias. He escrito un poco sobre Egipto y el aura. Eso está investigado. Lo haces en media hora, pero lo demás es solo que necesito ocho horas. Hago rápidamente el capítulo, así tiene que ser, y luego solo tengo que pulir y necesito I need 8 hours.
Speaker 2:I quickly do the chapter that's how it has to be and then I just have to polish and I need approximately 8 hours for 300 pages. That's just my writing time. But I don't have to develop concepts because I've transmitted the topic for thousands of hours. So that's why I know things by heart. But I can do it in a very limited area.
Speaker 2:Now I can't give a spiritual seminar about, I don't know, solving patterns and blockades with the help of yoga, so maybe I could do it Theoretically. I could still explain how it could work, but I'm not an expert on that, and that is actually, I think, also like that that we can learn to stay in an area and there really reach that mastery. And I see so many people who are today in the Aura Seminar, then in the Spiritual Guides Seminar, then you see them in the Angel Reading Seminar, then in the Dance Seminar for Happiness, there in the Forest, bath, and here and there. You just see these addicts to the seminars who simply pursue one certificate after another and have done esotericism Exactly, exactly. Yes, and I think that would be my main advice stay in ACTIVS for a few years.
Speaker 1:If I think that is the iso. Tourism is not so bad in principle if first one has to find out where he feels most attracted or where he believes to have more talent, and then go in that direction, in that specialization. I think such a beautiful idea is definitely.
Speaker 2:I mean I also look at the beginning before. I always say it is later. I met my teaching. Definitivamente, quiero decir, yo también miro al principio antes. De que yo siempre digo es luego conocí mi enseñanza de inglaterra, pero antes estuve en los seminarios más locos y ahí también sentirlo. Pero luego perseverar y no siempre dudar de uno mismo cuando algo no funciona, eso siempre me parece una pena si las dudas a su a a menudo vienen de afuera cuando la gente te.
Speaker 1:Yes, the doubts often come from outside, when people tell you you're crazy or something like that. But we just want to invite you not to listen to that so much, but to trust again, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, definitely.
Speaker 1:I could talk to you forever, pascal. Now I'm going to my last questions that I like to ask at the end of these personal interviews. Please try to respond briefly. Well, if you want to explain a little, do it, but in general, it would be good if it was brief and concise, okay. I'm 45 years old Luxury for me.
Speaker 2:Free time with my wife, nice.
Speaker 2:Ageing means for me a process that I live every day. I'm thinking right now. So I'm not saying that if I had an hour I would definitely find something, but right now I can't think of anything Because in the end, I have lived many things in my life where I say, donde digo está bien, no fueron buenas, pero al final siempre me ayudaron a estar hoy, quizás en el punto donde estoy, o a que haya y haya cambiado mi vida. Por eso, ahora mismo no se me ocurre nada donde diría está bien. Me arrepiento de algo quizás, sí, sí, ahora. Si pudiera vivir mi vida de nuevo.
Speaker 2:En los primeros tiempos, cuando realmente trabajé mucho, lo hice con gusto, pero tal vez desde el. In the first few times when I really worked a lot, I did it with pleasure, but maybe from the beginning I would have planned more time with friends or something like that. That is perhaps the only thing. For a while I really had very little time also for friends and family and so on, but in the end that also simply took me to the point where I am today. Yes, maybe that.
Speaker 1:Yes, but you can recover that now right.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yes. But if now I regret it, it's in the past. I can only so. That's maybe the only thing, but yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's continue. The most moving moment of my life. I mean, you've already told about the boy, about the girl. Would you like to share another or is there another?
Speaker 2:Yes, I think that, without a doubt. Also, the birth of my son seemed very moving to me. Yes, then, something that was also somehow moving. I had a student who had a mortal illness too, and I remember that the day before we still spoke together. I remember that the day before we were still talking together, yes, and she died that night, and she died with a book of mine on her chest. That is somehow an impressive image, yes, impressive, but there are many, many things too what has always moved me.
Speaker 2:I worked for a while for the Children's Hospital in Switzerland, so we raised funds, and what I always found very moving was talking to children who have terminal diseases or simply even if they were 5, 6, 7 years old and they knew, okay, they're going to die, but very often they would still comfort their own parents or comfort their environment. So that strength that sometimes felt, that was always very moving for me to experience, that one-on-one with the children, but then also later in the contacts with the the beyond, simply that strength of these children, because just when the children die early, it's simply in the plan of life and the soul knows it, and simply also knowing that dying is not something bad. It's part of it.
Speaker 1:Acceptance. What is my greatest hope? My greatest hope is that this extravagant esoteric thing will disappear someday. Absurd what do you mean exactly with absurd?
Speaker 2:Yes, I don't want to offend anyone. Sometimes there are things that I say it's so far now. Yes, it's fine, whatever you mean.
Speaker 1:I think anyone who has been in this field for a while also knows more or less what you mean.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and I don't want to say anything to anyone because in the end, everything has its justification in some place.
Speaker 1:Yes, and above all, everything enters in resonance. So these people who you now call upspace resonate with other people, or other people with them? I mean yes.
Speaker 2:Or what I think I would like is for the therapists to disappear, or the people who constantly say that there are demons, there are evil spirits, there are possessions, there are souls that are not in the light, and because they simply work with so much fear and that deepens even more the misery en la luz y porque simplemente se trabaja con tanto miedo y eso profundiza aún más la miseria. Y allí yo también sé por qué ellos lo perciben así. En parte, ahí simplemente desearía que las personas estuvieran mejor capacitadas y que no se difundiera constantemente ese miedo. Creo que esa era mi mayor esperanza para la escena espiritual.
Speaker 1:Eso es un tema de sociedad, porque estamos rodeados de una religión o de religiones que trabajan exclusivamente con el miedo. I think that was my biggest hope for the spiritual scene. That's a matter of society, because we are surrounded by a religion or religions that work exclusively with fear, always with that accusing finger. So unfortunately that goes deeper. I totally overcome the desire, only that you really have to start from very, very, very back there.
Speaker 2:I'm an idealist. Maybe in 10,000 years it will be better.
Speaker 1:yes, yes, you simply do. I mean, look now you even leave your concept of color to Leibniz from Munich. You leave so many other beautiful things. That does something for sure. But I still have a question. Yes, what is love? Sí, el amor es.
Speaker 2:El amor es levantarse cada mañana, mirar al lado y pensar que el rey o la reina está al lado.
Speaker 1:Oh, qué bonito. Eso es lo más hermoso. Y si pudiera jugar a hacer el destino por un día, entonces yo.
Speaker 2:Creo que entonces haría un montón de mierda ese día, ¿no O sea, por un lado, ya, me parece genial. I think that would be a lot of shit that day right. I mean on the one hand, it already seems great to me.
Speaker 1:Yes, but why the fuck?
Speaker 2:Well, I also find it funny. According to destiny, it would also be good to tell people something good. Yes, but maybe I also imagine myself as a little elf of destiny and maybe I would help certain people to get their resonance, which they will receive anyway, to arrive faster at some point. That's what I can imagine now.
Speaker 1:So there is a little elf in this silent one, Pascal.
Speaker 2:Definitely. I mean I would be lying, as I always say you can't. I mean there is totally polarity in me. It's like that we are human, because I know too many people who say they are holy and enlightened, but they steal their wallet and they are no longer so free.
Speaker 1:Yes, I also find it totally healthy. I mean, as I said, that's impossible. I think the human being is made up of these different colors.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I had this illusion at the beginning that I thought, well, someday I might be enlightened and then everything will be just fine. So I had this goal until at some point I realized that not even the spiritual world has it. The interesting thing is that even the spiritual world judges and condemns. So maybe they don't judge the way we humans do it. But of course, my spiritual guide also tells me don't do this, that's not good or do that that's good. Doing that is also forming a judgment, like that.
Speaker 2:And I also think that the divine order has created the polarity. So I think there is a God or a divine energy, and that he has created in this land this principle of yin yang and that he did it with a purpose. And also, when I look at the people who are in my formation, if they had never experienced something bad, they would not have reached the point where they say it's okay, now I want to do personal development, now I want to start changing. When do we start working on our relationships? When we've had two or three bad relationships, then we think, yes or no, I'm not able to love, or I'm not good enough, I'm not that. And then we start, with luck, to work on ourselves, so that we can enter into beautiful relationships, and so on. So we need the bad. Exactly we need that, and that's why, as God of destiny, I would also be in charge of creating a little friction.
Speaker 1:Emotional, exactly emocionante. Me gustaría conocer.
Speaker 2:Me gustaría conocer. Eso es sí hay algunos. Me encantaría conocer a Bruce Lee, Me encantaría conocer a Paulo Coelho, Me encantaría conocer a JK Rowling. Así que Sí, creo que JK Rowling, Bruce y luego Bruce Lee¿.
Speaker 1:Por qué Bruce Lee?
Speaker 2:Bueno, yo soy hoy en día, aunque no soy un luchador. Bueno, todavía hago un poco de artes marciales, así para mí mismo, pero simplemente era como totalmente mi ícono, así de niño.
Speaker 1:Sí, Sí bien, está bien, entonces viene de esa dirección, Entiendo Sí.
Speaker 2:Y también era una persona muy filosófica, lo cual muchos no saben.
Speaker 1:Creo que este tipo de deporte, a menudo o sea, está relacionado. Estas personas deben estar en su centro, tanto mental como físicamente. De lo contrario, no puedes eso.
Speaker 2:Definitivamente.
Speaker 2:Si no, no puedes concentrar las energías en tu cuerpo, y that definitely if you can't concentrate the energies in your body and do all that the greatest opportunity of our time is. The greatest opportunity of our time is if I think we are now it sounds a little silly, but it is not the easiest moment in which we are then if now we look at the cycle, that is like that. But I think that's exactly where the biggest opportunity is, because in reality we are always saying everything has cycles and when one, when the cycle is up, then it can only go down. We are pretty low. So for us, for all of us who now have so much panic and fear, much lower, it can no longer go a little further maybe, but now it can only go up. So I say now we do have a great time, because now it goes up.
Speaker 2:Also, what technical development does will make huge progress. I think what is very important now is not to panic. Ahora es no entrar en pánico, y también creo que en general, que es nuevamente muy, muy importante para los países, para las personas, tener nuevamente valores claros, hacer declaraciones claras, también reconocer que nosotros esto suena raro ahora que no somos todos iguales.
Speaker 1:Ahí estoy totalmente de cosas.
Speaker 2:Porque eso es lo más peligroso. This sounds weird now that we are not all the same. I'm totally off topic there, because that's the most dangerous thing in all this spirituality, this equality. So even when we talk about the aura, that means so that it is not misunderstood that women are as valuable as men, but women and men are not the same. That starts when you observe the aura, when you observe the hormones and this one. We are all the same.
Speaker 2:No, it's not like that, and I think that coffee. Everyone is equally valuable, definitely, but not everyone is the same, and I think it's very important to dare again to call certain things by their name, to take a position again like that. It's a good opportunity that something like what we experienced in the C era I don't want to go into depth on the subject, but so that we don't have to live it anymore, because it was such a valuable time in reality too que fue un tiempo tan valioso en realidad también como la gente solo porque uno a favor y el otro en contra se devoran casi por completo. Eso fue una locura.
Speaker 1:Pero hemos aprendido mucho. Hemos aprendido mucho en este tiempo y también es el tiempo en el que, por ejemplo, realmente recibí muchos, muchos impulsos del mundo espiritual. Para lo mío, eso es realmente importante, que todos I really received many, many impulses from the spiritual world. For my own, it is really important that all of us especially because you also say it very well think even deeper. You cannot go further, but precisely then it is important that each one of us, in our own way and yet united, be there for people, for example, in a tool like this.
Speaker 2:Yes, there you could also work well with the mentality. So that is that one simply also realizes. If one can simply say this is bad, this is bad, this is bad, then it will also be bad. I mean, I had never had so much free time, so honestly I didn't think it was such a bad time. But we also have to say that I live in the countryside, so if I lived in the city of Berlin maybe it would have been different.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's true, it can't be predicted, but definitely it had a lot of potential and we are here today because we take advantage of that potential in the way we did it. But now to my last question. What a pity, but I still have to do it. My last words must be.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was happy.
Speaker 1:Hey, super. All said in a brief and concise way. Thank you, Pascal.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, so please.
Speaker 1:I thank you very much for this conversation, very, very, very beautiful. I have met Pascal once again and I am very happy to have been able to record this time here with you and that in this way, we can share all these beautiful impulses of yours with others. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being here and for supporting Spine, so it's as important as your work, very, very important.
Speaker 2:Thank you very, very much for the invitation and also for the excellent platform, spine Thank you.
