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The Spiritual Network Podcast - Spine App
In the Spine Interview - Pascal Voggenhuber
Translated from German using AI, please excuse any errors.
What does it mean to live between two worlds? Pascal Voggenhuber, one of the most renowned spiritual mediums in the German-speaking world, opens up about his extraordinary journey that began at just three years old when he first saw a deceased person in his family home.
With refreshing honesty and his trademark down-to-earth approach, Pascal shares how he navigated childhood with "transparent friends" (spirit guides), survived a serious car accident at age 10 that introduced him to spiritual healing, and eventually abandoned his acting career to fully embrace his mediumistic abilities. His story isn't just about supernatural experiences—it's about finding purpose and, most importantly, happiness along an unconventional path.
The conversation takes fascinating turns as Pascal reveals his work with Swiss police solving murder cases, explains why he stopped giving individual readings despite an eight-year waiting list, and discusses the emotional toll of regularly communicating with the deceased. His insights challenge common assumptions about the afterlife, as he shares that in thousands of communications, he's never encountered a spirit who wasn't at peace.
Perhaps most surprising is Pascal's life philosophy: despite authoring 16 bestselling books and achieving remarkable professional success, his ultimate goal remains beautifully simple—"I just want to be happy." This perspective offers a refreshing counterpoint to the notion that spiritual practitioners must have lofty, mystical ambitions.
Whether you're a spiritual seeker, curious skeptic, or somewhere in between, this conversation invites you to consider how we might all bridge the visible and invisible aspects of existence. What would change if you approached your own spiritual journey with Pascal's blend of discipline, authenticity, and joy?
Hello, my dear spine community. For the kickoff of the spine interviews, we have a very special guest today. He is one of the most well-known spiritual mediums in the German-speaking world and I hold him in high regard for that. He is a man from the very beginning of spine. That he is a man from the very beginning of spine. We love his very pragmatic, human and very charming way of bringing spiritual things closer to us, whether through afterlife contacts, his best sellers or in his lectures. But today we want to get to know the person with these many gifts a little better his journey, his, his insights and the transformations he may have experienced on this journey. Join me in welcoming Pascal Wogenhuber.
Speaker 2:Thank you very, very much for the invitation.
Speaker 1:Very gladly, pascal. We are continuing a bit from an interview we did many years ago, and even back then I found it really nice how you talked about all these topics in a way that was tangible for people. So what you said and how you said, it was so nice, actually like taking a breath, and I always found that extremely charming about you. Really really very, very great. I am really very happy that it has now worked out for us to make another attempt, after we conducted an interview at next world for the first time over 10 years ago. So I want to bring pascal a little closer to the people, especially those who do not know you so well yet. That's why I'll start with a very big question as an introduction for you, namely, what is your life goal?
Speaker 2:oh, that's actually quite simple. Everyone is probably expecting something super exciting. My life goal is actually this I just want to be happy, period. So that's basically it. That's why there's also a book by me called enjoy this life.
Speaker 2:That eventually came about when I realized that for me, it's primarily about being as happy as possible. Yes, okay, good, yes, I was asked that a lot, or it's naturally like what is your life plan, what do you think, what do you want to achieve? And everyone always thought well, as a medium or somehow as a spiritual coach, you must have some really intense goals or something. I don't know seeing that or communicating with it, or something. And then I realized also a lot of what I have already lived in my life.
Speaker 2:In the end, it only comes down to this either you are happy or you are depressed. Stupidly said, if you have 16 best sellers but are depressed, you are not either. So life is not valuable. If you have 100 000 people at your lectures but are depressed, then it all means nothing. And that's also what I've realized in the last. I mean, I've been in the public eye for 22 years now, which you also notice a bit because you see many big speakers come and go, or you know them backstage as well, and then you quickly realize that not everything that glitters is gold, and that's why I I said to myself very early on for me it's really just about being happy and not particularly spiritual. You quickly notice that my language isn't spiritual enough for some, or my appearance isn't spiritual enough too many tattoos and so on but but I am happy, or mostly anyway.
Speaker 1:That's the only thing that matters, in my opinion, of course. And yes, exactly the things you just summarized. They also define you, pascal, but was it always like this? I'm getting a bit ahead. Tell us a bit about how your beginnings were. You discovered your gift relatively early. The story has been told several times, but maybe our listeners haven't heard it yet. Please elaborate a bit.
Speaker 2:So I'll try to keep it short and concise. So I'm usually always asked when did you see a deceased person for the first time? So, and that was when I was three years old, so actually at three, I saw a deceased person for the first time, and then I communicated that to my mother. So I woke up in the night, had to go down some stairs and there was a man in the stairwell. Um, and then, um, I went to my mother, who was a single parent, and said mom, there's a man in the stairwell. And my mother naturally thought, wow, that must be a burglar, because there was no other man. And um, she went in front of me, tried to look and then, um, she said there's no, there's no one there since time. But I still saw the man there. So that was the first time. And then there's the classic um, my mother yes, you're probably just dreaming, just go back to sleep, everything is fine. And I still remember. The only thing I can really remember well is that I saw the man and I knew I was awake. But my mother said Well, you, probably, you're probably dreaming. And I found that a bit strange, even back then, at three years old, and I actually always had my best transparent friend, so I knew that he wasn't visible to everyone, but he was absolutely real to me. That was Hans P and Zoe. So there were two later, but I think the first was Hans P back then and then Zoe. I later realized that they are spirit guides. There was the luck that my mother just let me be a high one. She always thought, boy, oh, the boy just has a bit too much imagination, let's let him be. And then actually only with yes, in my puberty. So when I then I started at 10, I was already with my mother. So at 10, I came into contact with spiritual healers. I went into meditation with my mother at 10. I found that super exciting.
Speaker 2:When I was 10 years old I had a major car accident and then couldn't walk anymore, so I had various fractures. Back then I had just started with martial arts, actually wanted to go to the championship, but I just couldn't. Well, I couldn't walk anymore. Then I learned to walk again but had incredible back pain and even had to, at 10 years old, get morphine injections, often because the pain was so severe so the muscles could relax again and so on. And then we went to my mother worked at the church and there was a new priest and he had a housekeeper, and she looked at me. I was sitting there and she looked at me and said, hey, you have a messed up back, right. And I said, yes. Then she said, hey, do you want to come to me sometime? Maybe I can help you with that? And then she told my mother, yes, she was a healer, but more like we should keep it quiet because, you know, the priest is Roman Catholic, right? Um? And my mother thought, well, we've tried everything. I was medically out of options, um so, and then she laid her hands on me and also used incense sticks. I remember that, took incense sticks and and placed them on on points, probably what I now assume are meridian points, and it felt like electric shocks. That's how I remember her as a 10 year old child. And in any case, from that day on, I had no more back pain and I was hyped. And then, uh, so I was allowed to go to her every Wednesday afternoon and I was allowed to borrow esoteric books.
Speaker 2:That was, of course, a different time. It wasn't like today, where there is so much literature, but there you read all the Carlos Castaneda maybe some still know and those stories, and she then showed me how to lay on hands. Then it shifted again. I got very into martial arts, but even there the topic was always energy, energy work and so on, and I always had my spiritual friends. And then in my youth or early youth, I had a best friend who was really into youth. I had a best friend who was really into esotericism and so on, and she would always talk about spirit guides, auras and so on, and then we talked about it and over time we just realized we could do it. And then I started telling my mother I'm, I still see the deceased and that. And then my mother finally told me okay, my uncle already had this and my own grandmother, but she always hoped that it would pass by me, because she always hoped that it was just childish fantasies that would be outgrown. But at some point I just stopped talking to anyone about it and lived with it on my own. And only later, I think, at 14 again mein auch in Sinti Neifau in Wendheim ein ah, and and only later, I think, at 14 again. And then my mother said okay, then let's go to the esoteric fair because there are people just like you. And now you have to imagine.
Speaker 2:That was almost, a very, very long time ago well over 20 years so and we went together to the esoteric fair and back then I was in the hip-hop scene and thought, okay, cool, they're all like me Young people, hip-hop, sneakers, maybe a few tattoos and so on. And then it was a completely different scene. It was really this intense esotericism. With aluminum foil on the head, you were constantly being smoked out. So everyone was like the youngest were really like 45. Today I am 45 myself, so I see it differently. But back then everyone was just really old, wearing wool sweaters, birkenstocks and so on. And I look at my mother and say, how can you say they are like me? I mean, that's far off and and and constantly somehow jesus pictures and you were sprayed and so on. It was just such intense esotericism and I knew I definitely didn't want that.
Speaker 2:But there I also met a medium who was trained in english spiritualism and he was a completely normal guy and I found him super nice. We talked a bit. Then he said, um, come to me sometime, so and then I slowly started to do the training there. But then I actually only wanted to go there because I wanted to get rid of it, because my goal was I was still in acting school at the time my goal was actually to be an actor and I realized it's really burdensome as an actor when you perceive so much. You are also an actress.
Speaker 2:And then there was a point I was just about to finish acting school and then, as you know yourself, I occasionally played a bit in the theater, but you don't earn anything there. Or maybe you had a film once a year and were lucky if you had a big role that you earned a lot once, but then somehow hardly anything for 10 months. And then came the decision my father died and at the same time the decision came I could have gone to gutzeiten and back then as an actor it was still like that, or it was still the heyday of Gutzeiten, and you somehow got 20,000 euros. And then you thought there I have a secure income. Should I do that? You know acting yourself too. Should one do something like that? Should one not? And I was so torn.
Speaker 2:But I was in the middle of further training at the media school and my father had just died. And then one of the teachers there made a contact with my father in the afterlife for me and that did me so incredibly good. And that's when I actually realized how valuable what I can do really is. When I actually realized how valuable what I can do really is, because before it was just like. I simply noticed that when I consciously learn to use my senses, I can control everything much better. So and that was my motivation. And that's when I actually realized how healing the whole thing is.
Speaker 2:And then I remember I went out, cried, talked to my teacher and said hey, I'm doing it. Now I'm going to become a medium too. I'm quitting everything. My mother was seriously. She was really into good times, bad times. For that I said mom, I'm going to be a medium. Now she said you're crazy, that's not possible. What am I supposed to tell my friend? You're a clairvoyant. And now I could almost say you're a good time star. Now you're somehow into esotericism and such. And then I remember I already said to her there was so. Because she said well, what do you want? Do you want a happy son or a depressed good time son? And she said yes, be quiet, be happy, go your way, like that.
Speaker 2:And then I was still at. I had only three years of my training. You see, still at um, I had only three years of my training. You see, I am classically trained in english, so I also went to england afterward. I spent over eight years in total because the training there is very, very long, very, very solid. Um, it's quite different from many who do two or three weekend courses or something like that. Yes, and then you are. At some point my first book came out, but that was really just for fun actually, and that became a bestseller and then there was actually a breakthrough. So this is all very condensed now wow, thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 1:these, yes, also quite personal things, like, as you said, when you had the accident. I didn't know about that until just now, but it's things like these that often move us in the end, that steer our awareness in a slightly different direction. But I noticed you had more supporters. You didn't have many people who opposed you in this matter, did you?
Speaker 2:Because that can be unsettling yes, I mean I was really lucky, um, especially for that time back then, because, for example, today, young people can go on instagram, um, spine app or facebook or they can go to the bookstore and there are tons of spiritual literature. I mean, you have to see it like this my book back then, living in two worlds um, very few people know that it's not interesting today, but it was the first esoteric book on the bestseller list sketch cop almost everyone probably knows that, but it wasn't so typically esoteric yet. Yes, it was spiritual but not esoteric, where it was about extrasensory abilities. Um, it was just a completely different time and still, because it was in our family or always a topic, my mother also knew about it. My mother simply hoped that I didn't have it, but she just let me be um, and later I really have to say, um, I owe my mother a lot. Even when I was, uh, into my crazy ideas as they are. Like the first time I said I will become an actor, she said, okay, I support you, then I will become a medium. I mean, that was still at a time when you didn't make money with spirituality.
Speaker 2:Today, one can hardly imagine that anymore. Today, if you are well known. There are congresses with huge lectures. Now, back then there were lectures with 10 people. I mean, I was the first back then in Switzerland to give seminars with 100 people. Today it's standard. Today there are people who do seminars with 1000 people, but that was just a completely, completely different time. It was also a cool time. It was less, yes, it was different. It was cool and I was really always very lucky like having people around me including my book publisher who simply, yes, believed in me and my book. I mean, I never had to look for a publisher in my life. I never had to. When I see other authors who then have to laboriously write scripts and then go from one publisher to another you have also written books. You know that too. So I was lucky, the publisher approached me. So I also always did a lot for my luck. So that's of course, sometimes you don't see it, but that's part of it too.
Speaker 1:You mean to say you're also a hard worker, you don't just let things be. I mean part of it is allowing things, but another part is that you have to do something yourself, right.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I mean, it's also like, when I think back it's always this illusion of the calling yes, that it's always like where many believe I just have to find my calling and then people will flock to me and I won't have to do anything anymore. Well, to be honest, I didn't go on vacation for the first few years actually many years, the first eight years of my self employment, for example. I simply didn't have time for it. Um so um, the first few years I also had to learn what it even means to be a, especially in the spiritual field, where everyone tells you, well, as a spiritual person, you shouldn't charge money and so on.
Speaker 2:I grew up in that era Exactly, and until somehow I realized it was such a big revelation. I had a conference. I was invited there. I received 1000 francs for being there, for doing a one-day seminar, and then there were somehow 240 people there and they paid amount XYZ for it.
Speaker 2:And then I told my best friend about it. Then he said, hey, crazy that you reach so many people. Then he asked how much did you get? I said, yes, 1,000 francs for one day, I'm fine. Then he said, yeah, and when is your next job? Then I said, no idea. I think I had something again in three weeks. Then he said, okay, I have to, um, live for three weeks with 1000 francs. And now, for the germans also to understand, switzerland is a bit more expensive than germ, so 1000 francs is not that much.
Speaker 2:And then he asked yeah, and what did the organizers earn? And then he calculated for me. He said, yeah, he made 50,000 with you. You got a grand and a happy. Somebody said no. So and then I noticed a lot of things like that hey, wait a minute, something's going wrong here. So I had to learn a lot there and that was part of it at the beginning. So the first few years, I say yes, I was just happy that, uh, that one I was going from one place to another, was allowed to pursue my calling and I enjoyed doing it. You got a hotel room, paid for meals, paid for just a small allowance. But I mean, I lived at home with my mother in my childhood room until I was 28.
Speaker 1:Well, saved money.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I simply had no money to move out. That was the fact. But the newspaper already said I was a millionaire. I also already had three bestsellers. Out was constantly on the road, but the fact was I was a very bad businessman.
Speaker 1:Yes, but the problem is fundamentally a completely different one, namely the value of these contents. That's back then and still, somehow now not as bad, but still an issue is that people give much more value to other things than exactly these things that you, for example, do, or all of us in this room. Of course, in my own way, I keep running into this and think to myself my goodness, people, this is really about much, much more than just what I will eat tomorrow and where I should sleep. That is, of course, important too, but it has such great significance and unfortunately, many people only realize this later and you are naturally one of the first points of contact for them when it really comes to life and death. That is, when one has truly encountered death, whether with family members or oneself.
Speaker 1:But this, yes, is unfortunately still an issue, and hopefully we can change it. I'm trying in my way, you in your way, to really make this importance and value clearer, but tell me when you say or no, I know it. You are truly a pioneer in this regard, also this pragmatic way of approaching people. And back then, as you described yourself the first book, how you published it, um, were there any criticisms? Because, especially when you're a door opener, you always deal with criticisms or at least doubts. Did you have a problem with that, or did it even exist? Or was it all totally openly received by everyone?
Speaker 2:no, um, I have to honestly say well, um, I was also really lucky there. But you also have to say my first book, yes, it was actually a flop at first. That was. It's quite an exciting story. It was somehow ordered 77 times in the presale. So basically nothing, you know.
Speaker 2:And back then I was still very introverted. I had already finished acting school but I always felt comfortable on stage because there I kind of knew what I wanted to do. But in life I was very introverted. I still am today. So I am not like that.
Speaker 2:Many are always surprised that I do not talk as much as just now, because most people know me from television or interviews and such so. And my publisher only knew me as the young guy with the backpack. I was still taking the train back then. No driver's license, nothing, um, very reserved, and normally you also get a book launch. But now the book came out and no one was interested. So my publisher thought, well, the boy can't even really speak that. Well, I'll incorporate it into some kind of spiritual evening event, but we won't do a book launch. That's later she said. They thought, yeah, it's basically just wasted money. So we are still super close today and everything.
Speaker 2:That's why it was also very honest regarding the early days. And then she gave me some 10 minute slot where other spiritual speakers and such were talking, and she said you just go on stage and present your book. And I thought, well, how do I want to present my life in 10 minutes? Because my first book was really about my story, how I got there. And then I just went on stage, took my book and said life in two worlds is my biography. If anyone wants, they can buy it Mine. And then I looked at a woman and said hey, your father has died. He is right here. And I gave a contact with the afterlife. I described her father very precisely, how he looks, what happened and so on, what the unresolved issues are. And it was still at a time when no one in the German-speaking area was making afterlife contacts or not. These evidential afterlife contacts, as they are known from England, and the people were super shocked.
Speaker 2:For me it was, of course, already normal in England. I often demonstrated in church, that was kind of a thing. And then after 10 minutes I said goodbye, took my backpack and went back to England because I was still in further training and back then it was also the case that your cell phone, if someone called you abroad, you somehow paid five francs per minute. So I always had my cell phone off until I ran out of money. Then I organized my trip home, usually came back to Switzerland, worked for a few months. When I had enough money again I went back over.
Speaker 2:So because at that time I had my book, but it was a flop so I couldn't live off it yet I was also cleaning on the side, so was then in in England, had my phone off and then I think after two or three months, I don't remember exactly turned it on and then I noticed my publisher had tried to call me multiple times. So I called back from England and they were like, where are you? And I said, well, I'm in England, I said. And then I said, well, I'm coming home soon because I have no money left England. I said. And then I said, well, I'm coming home soon because I have no money left. So and then she said, yeah, your book became a bestseller after your appearance. People are calling me. I just went ahead and booked sessions for you. They wanted people, wanted you for conferences. I just booked them all because I was fully booked for two and a half years with all sorts of things and she didn't have much idea. So sometimes I had sessions in the morning, workshops in the evening and so on. But it was a cool time because the publisher was also just starting out and we both became successful together like that.
Speaker 2:And at the beginning the press in Switzerland was I always looked much younger than I was because I was already 28 back then, but looked more like 22, 23, and the press I mean the official press was totally let's say, positively crazy about me. Actually, no one was really interested in what I was doing exactly. It was more about the guy in the hoodie who looks more like a hip hopper doing spirituality, and no one really tore that apart or anything at the very beginning. Only actually after, I believe, about four years, when people noticed, okay, the fourth book, the fourth bestseseller, the halls are always filled, the seminars are always full when some journalists, I think, started to calculate or thought, wow, he earns a lot of money. That's when I became a problem. So actually the success, everyone was happy for me as long as I was the young guy with the backpack who didn't even have a driver's license, living in my mom's childhood room. But when I grew up and maybe moved out and also got a driver's license or bought a car, that's when it actually became a problem, you know.
Speaker 2:But at the beginning, no, really not at all. I then had a really intense time. Also from the press was they became really mean and personal to you. But in the end I always say it was bad but it made me even more successful. That was Facebook. I still remember I somehow had 25,000 people on Facebook. After the press battle I somehow had 80,000 people on Facebook. It's all a bit, sometimes a curse and a blessing at the same time, because through that many people got to know me and then said well, I think the guy, he's so down to earth that what was partly written just didn't, yes, realize probably doesn't correspond to the truth.
Speaker 1:Did it actually affect you over the years? You also did individual sessions, but you don't do them anymore, right?
Speaker 2:Yes, I haven't done any for a long time.
Speaker 1:There must have been some decision within you from I do individual sessions to I don't do them anymore. What was the decisive point there?
Speaker 2:Yes, the main decisive point was, of course, you have to imagine such a contact with the beyond at the very beginning, when I was still giving individual sessions where hardly anyone knew me. You also had easier cases over time as one becomes more well known. I mean, you have to see, I very quickly had a two year waiting period. In the end I had an eight-year waiting period, unless someone was very flexible then it was six years and you can't even imagine that. And I didn't do one session per week but I did four to five sessions per day. So it was really intense and at the beginning, when you're so young, it was like, hey, cool, because it ultimately gave some security, you know. But at some point you think, hey, wait a minute, I have to, I want to go on vacation when in six years. So I had to plan my life over six years. If you have a partner now, just as an example, no woman thinks it's cool to be with a guy who has planned his life every day six years in advance. I had no gaps. So at some point you had to start planning vacations first, but everything on average years in advance. Um, and at some point it just became unmanageable because if I was sick for a week or had to miss work, one cannot imagine that it's an entire system. Uh, so for me it meant I had to somehow catch up on the sessions late into the night and honestly, it just didn't bring me joy anymore and the cases became more and more extreme. Yes, I mean, um, I had no one. No one waits two, three, four, five years because grandma died. So I only had murder, only suicide, only unresolved things.
Speaker 2:Um, I had people who traveled from paris, from canada, from afghanistan, from everywhere, um coming. So they were also two or three days, just travel time and hotel costs and so on, and at some point, I mean, I charged um 150 francs per hour, but they had to spend a thousand and even more francs, partly because of the travel costs. It was just so. Zoom wasn't available like it is today, right, and it was of course, voluntary, but the pressure was intense, especially when you knew, for example, I had politicians from afghanistan for a while who came regularly. I thought to myself, wow, the pressure, just the costs that people also take on, and so on. At some point I realized it was no longer healthy for me. The expectations, the pressure, no break. Also. Yes, that was actually is the main reason even today why I no longer hold sessions, because I had in 24, no, actually at the end of 14, a television show and we made an announcement that we were looking for a few people for individual like how we wanted to show it.
Speaker 1:We had over 5 000 registrations within half an hour, so you can't even imagine what kind of masses those are like you notice that humanity fundamentally needs what you are doing very much and, um, I think I can say that you are now moving more towards the educational work right.
Speaker 2:Yes, so I have trained two classes. My classes also last between five to seven years, so I also do these long ones. I just finished another class and now I'm taking a break again. Of course, I always say providing training is very attractive, but I also always say my training sessions are also like this I try to guide the students on their path, because the difficult thing is always.
Speaker 2:There are many media.
Speaker 2:There are also really very, very many well-trainedined media, not only those trained by me, but also by other schools or colleagues, but still, um, they don't have that kind of influx because, of course, um, being a therapist today also involves that you have to go out, you have to show yourself, um, so people also need to build trust, especially in our field.
Speaker 2:It's difficult for people to trust you, and I was, of course, lucky that when you have written books, given television interviews and so on, people trusted much, much more because there is a lot of information about me. There have always been many videos, many interviews and so on, and most therapists don't have that. But yes, that's why I already I train, not at the moment, or mainly I actually want to. I see myself today as wanting to make people aware hey, there is life after death, we all have extrasensory abilities and I want to engage them in an entertaining way and then sort of distribute them. So those who want to go further might go into some training, someone might join one of my courses, or someone might need a therapist. So I see myself more like, hey, this exists, and then people are sort of distributed.
Speaker 1:Over the years, have you noticed any change in the people who have come to you? So, apart from the more difficult cases in the individual sessions, but the people who now come and request these trainings, are they somehow different from when you started? Has anything changed there?
Speaker 2:Yes, so now I can only speak for myself. Now, um, today it is is it is naturally much, much easier for me because, um, basically, the people who come to me definitely already trust me as, as they have already experienced a lot. I mean, at the very beginning, you have to imagine, when I sometimes open the door in my practice, people asked about my, my father, because they thought I'm a young guy, can't be the advisor here. They didn't know me yet. Also, I always had to prove myself again and again. So actually for the first 15 years I always had to prove myself. I always say that's why I also did many.
Speaker 2:I then gave many mediumship readings from the stage, so the audience was there, exactly so-called demonstrations, and that's how I actually became really well known, because there were huge halls and I described the deceased so precisely that only one family or one person recognized them. That always gave me an extra boost, but it was also I enjoyed doing it, but it was always about proving oneself. I don't have to do that anymore today. Today, the people who who come to the training trust me.
Speaker 2:I don't have to like with the first training class, where most still came for an individual reading to see, can this guy do anything at all now with the second class? Well, it's not possible because I don't give them anymore, but they just came. This is definitely something that has changed or, in general, today it is much, much easier for people to get information. But what I also notice today there are many more confused people because esotericism offers so many different things that it is very, very difficult to recognize what is still somehow serious or what is already going in a very, very strange direction. Today there are many things where I say the foundation is somewhat lacking, and that naturally confuses many people well.
Speaker 1:But this diversity is also part of the whole and people follow the resonances anyway, so I also believe that it naturally draws to where one belongs. But you are definitely very well guided there. When you tell me that you are introverted, I have to honestly say I was also at the Arthur Finlay College and tried a bit there. I died at these demonstrations, so I really admire that. That means you already took a lot of faith in your gift with you relatively early. That's great, great to see really yes, I think so.
Speaker 2:Um, of course, back then, for example, at the arthur finlay college. Uh, first of all, today it is very open. There is the swiss week, the german week and and so on. I say today anyone can actually go, you book a course and register.
Speaker 2:It wasn't like that in the past and I was, of course, by far the youngest back then and that really helped me a lot. Imagine being in such courses at 15 or 16 and all the ladies are 45 and older. You always triggered maternal feelings in them and no matter if I was cheeky, it was okay, he can, or I was always. I wasn't the favorite, but I was allowed to. No one expected anything from me and I never had this pressure at all.
Speaker 2:So when I sometimes see people today who come to me and really want to be good or achieve something, I never had that because I was originally there. I wanted to get rid of it. I didn't want to learn it, but get rid of it, and this ease it really helped me incredibly, especially in, yes, finding math in college. I mean it was really tough before. It used to be said that it is the elite school of sensitivity and mediality, or also those, those demonstrations you are talking about now. But that wasn't hard for me because all the older ladies and gentlemen were in front of me and then the young guy came along afterward and in England during church it's like, yes, no one judged you on whether you were good or not. It's a part of faith, is uh? Um, and I was always just lucky because of my young age, that I never had that pressure yes, that is really gifted.
Speaker 1:It's great that you were able to experience it like that. I always wonder if that makes a difference. So when you have so many contacts with the afterlife, whether in demonstrations or in individual sessions, has that shaped you as a person in any way? Or is it like a doctor who eventually has to distance himself from his work, like a tool you use and then you go home and it's no longer there. How is it for you?
Speaker 2:Yes, I wouldn't say it's not possible. To be honest, I can very well, I'm not the most emotional type. It's not possible either. So I also say with my students, for example, I always paid attention not to how much talent they have, but how mentally stable they are. And do they have healthy emotions? Because if someone is extremely emotional they break down. So you just have to be aware of that.
Speaker 2:I've had days or weeks where I only had parents whose children had died. For me there is still nothing worse than when a child dies, of course also when your partner dies, when your mother dies. All of it is terrible, but your own child, especially if they are taken from life by murder or suicide, that leaves very deep scars. And then you not only have because contact with the beyond is always the strange part for me you make contact with the deceased, no matter what they died of or how they died. They are doing really well, they are super happy. I have never seen a deceased person who is not doing well or heard any of those strange stories I like that too, sorry, I like that about you, that you exactly.
Speaker 1:It's also entirely my perception in my own way and all the things I've done original one-to-one.
Speaker 2:I'm totally with you there, sorry, go on all good, um, but on the other side you have the parents, and the parents might not be able to feel or still see the child, or something like that. The parents too, who perhaps, if the child committed suicide, then live with feelings of guilt and so on, and experiencing this heaviness every day and also this pressure again, because even if the contact was sometimes good, you sometimes notice that the messages didn't touch the heart because the heart was already so petrified by this loss and I realized at some point that it became increasingly difficult, this heaviness being with grieving people every day. It was my daily routine dead and so on, and I also did a lot of accident investigation. Um, I also worked for the police for two and a half years, searching for bodies, helping to solve murder cases and so on. And because she was still at the beginning, I'm, um, as I found it also sounds silly now a bit cool, like with the first police cases, because you now have and I always thought, now I've reached the status where I'm like, now I can prove that I'm serious as I officially work with the police. So, um, in the end, um, you quickly realize, hey, you're entering a field that just burdens your psyche even more. I mean stupidly said.
Speaker 2:The most common thing I did was search for bodies, like when they hadn't found someone. So, and then you have to be on site. It's not sitting at the PC at home and saying, yes, you in Zurich, at Baslerstrasse 205. That's how people sometimes imagine it. No, you are partly on site. Or you said, here in the Rhine there's an undercurrent. Then they found out, it's true, divers went in there, then they, for example, someone was pulled out and you were standing next to them, and those are also images and experiences that you somehow have to process in your psyche. And I eventually noticed that because I had so many people, I struggled to process it, and then I also noticed I was becoming even more emotionally distant.
Speaker 1:So, um, but um, yeah, so I think you already have to be a bit of the type for it, um, especially if you do it on the scale that I did did you, yes, but did you somehow I mean, in the end you dealt a lot with murder did it somehow shake you like the fact that it yes, that it even exists, or was that not really a question for you?
Speaker 2:No, for me. What was more shocking or difficult at the beginning was, for example, that murder investigations hardly work through the deceased. I always thought it was so simple before, imagined it, thought well, I'll just ask the victim what did you notice? What did the key look like? About 99% always told me no, that's part of my life plan. So actually the clarification never really involved the deceased, but rather the sensitive work. So reading the energies of the place and seeing how the perpetrator was, whether they were known, and something like that, well, that would probably go too far for the podcast. But actually because the deceased never saw, and that always because they said that's part of it, and that became increasingly difficult for me because certain causes of death never belong in our lives and are actually okay for them, and the deceased always say, hey, don't make a drama out of it, you'll be here soon and we'll all be reborn and the game starts all over again. So that was sometimes difficult for me. So this death and suffering, but to realize here, hey, they are all really doing well and we will all meet again, and so I often found that difficult.
Speaker 2:Or, of course, yes, at some point there were also a few things.
Speaker 2:I mean, for example, the Swiss police had a very, very high clearance rate.
Speaker 2:I don't know how it is today, but um, back then, regarding murder cases, and actually the things I was involved in were the ones that weren't solved, and mostly it was always a bit of larger organized crime.
Speaker 2:So, where there was, um, yeah also, and and when I, when I became a father myself, I sometimes thought, okay, I don't want to get involved anymore because I always had to sign contracts, the police can't protect me. I was actually like a private person who gives tips, but I didn't have any special status that allowed me to I don't know arm myself or anything like that. And, of course, also through the. There was also a time when we I was with a colleague where we were working on a murder case, where we went somewhere where the police said the victim and perpetrator probably met, but there was a surveillance camera and the main suspect was the one who owned the building. And then I just realized I slept so poorly because they just checked poorly and we were just walking around in the surveillance cameras. So, um, yeah, and then I thought, no for a pocket knife, which I sometimes got from the police when you solved something, or so I eventually stopped doing it understand.
Speaker 1:I can totally relate, but it's still an exciting job and, um, actually also important. Yes, um. But now back to your other work. Um, um, you have now released a new book. It's about aura big question. Um, I experienced it myself. I have now released a new book. It's about Aura Big question. I experienced it myself. I have now released number 10. And I think to myself now everything has really been said, and I believe you also once said you didn't think anything else would come. How did you come up with Aura? Was that the topic for you? So in your previous work, it has grown so much that you really write a bit more about it than Pascal.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, Aura is my 16th book and I totally understand. I was convinced I wouldn't publish another book. I also told my publisher that. So an aura has always been a part of my work. I always found it exciting. I just always said, always said, yeah, okay, I can still make a book about aura. Um, people would buy it too, but um, is the book needed?
Speaker 2:Now, like I didn't see the point, um, and then it was like this um, I had an online course and um, that was also then, since Corona, our team is not as big as before and then we had an online course launch and we planned as a contingency that I wouldn't take on any other assignments for two weeks because I was needed in the office, so if the supporters needed someone to help with emails or something. So that was planned and then the course started and luckily there were no technical problems. But now I was there and had nothing to do for two weeks and then I thought, okay, what do I do? And then my spirit guide said, hey, are you still writing the book about aura? I said, yes, that's a really great idea actually, because I really love writing. I love writing more than anything. But I only write books when I know like, okay, now it's the right time.
Speaker 2:Then I wrote it and it didn't take me that long. Then I called the publisher and said, hey, do you have time? In the spring I finished another book. They were happy and that's how, aura. But then I also said now I've written everything, but I've just finished a spiritual novel. Now I thought it would be cool if it's well received. I mean, the novel is really awesome. You can tell 100,000 stories.
Speaker 1:Yes, and you reach people in a completely different way, namely people who do not necessarily want to read specialized books, but who are actually engaged through stories. We all know that Harry Potter is indeed also spiritual.
Speaker 2:I am a huge Harry Potter fan. Yes, totally. But unfortunately I always say if I could write like JK Rowling, then that would be awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, but you did other great things during that time.
Speaker 1:She just used that time for it yes exactly, but you know what I found so exciting? I read it too, by the way. I think it's great. I find it very, very important that you did that. Very, very nice, great, practical tips. I can highly recommend it to you. I always like to be scientific, kind of like being scientific, and I once asked myself who sees the aura. Because the eyes, the receptors of our eyes, see differently than the receptors of a dog's eye, for example. That's a really weird question. But have you ever thought about whether you ultimately define the aura through the receptors of the human eye, or is it something else that sees? That's my question.
Speaker 2:In the book. It's also about whether you see it objectively on the outside or subjectively on the inside. And if we now objectively see the aura really on the outside, then we are really working through the eyes, receptors and so on. But I mean, another exciting question that I always had is, for example, you are a woman, I am a man. For me, that is, there is light green, dark green green. So I quickly learned that when I said, yes, um, this is light green, the women would say, no, that's lime green, or um, that's mint green or who knows what else. So, um, of course, here too, every person has their own color palette, and that's why in the book, I actually say the true art is to develop your own dictionary, and that's also the case with the really impressive aura readers. I know they all have their own dictionary, and that's actually why I never wanted to make an aura book, because my publisher back then they said, hey, pascal, that would be so cool. You just make an aura book and include your color lexicon and then people can just look it up. Now is more.
Speaker 2:I'm a good talking and in the past I always said, hey, no, I worked on my color lexicon for years and so on, and I didn't want to just give away this knowledge for 18 euros or something. That's just how I am. I mean, I worked on it for over 15 years, but now, slowly, um, I'm 45, maybe I'll retire soon or something. No, not really, and now somehow it's not as much. Um, I mean, it's still very valuable to me, but today I'm at a point where I say, hey, I'll just give it. I also show them the way to their own color lexicon, but I also give them a big part of my color lexicon, because a very large part is actually just what do these colors mean? And in the past I always thought, no, I want people to. It was just this old English thinking they should work it out themselves.
Speaker 2:Because in England I never got a sheet. How do you say, uh, a handout? So, um, like those, those sheets that are distributed. And I remember when I started teaching in switzerland, everyone asked me well, do I get a workbook? Or? Um, where are the? Uh, the sheets, the worksheets? I said you can write everything down yourselves or something. But that's how it was in england. I never got the sheet or anything to read up on. We just had to work everything out ourselves like that, and there, for example, that's a big difference from earlier in England. Unfortunately, it's not like that anymore today. But this mentality, you really invested a lot in yourself and your education and so on, and here it became more like, well, I paid for this course and now you have to make sure that by the end of the course I meet my spirit guide. So, and yes, that's just a completely different mentality like that.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, although I find it very good, as you say, how it was for you back then. I didn't receive any handouts either, but regardless, it takes a lot of willingness really the people and their willingness to truly want to learn. I don't want to say to test, but definitely to challenge, because it also has something to do with discipline. It's not a walk in the park. Yes, and you really have to want it. So, for example, regarding your color catalog, I didn't take exactly that, but in general, I took away that. I was at my school in Berlin for a very long time and the first thing the teachers told us and I want to share it with you here Not us, no, not the cosmos changes. It remains the same in its laws and the way things are, always the same, but always the same in change. What truly changes is us, our perception, and you're absolutely right Everyone should focus on their own perception. Everyone should focus on their own perception, capture it and work on this catalog with it. But still, I think it's good that you provide a guideline.
Speaker 2:Yes, today I am even more relaxed. I quickly realized you can't teach like we were taught in England. So the Swiss are all. I used to be a total psychopath, because if the class started at half past I would lock the door at half past. You know, and that's just how it is. If someone came one minute late, then they had traveled for three or four hours but the door was just locked because that's how it was.
Speaker 2:In Stansted too, it used to be an honor to be allowed to be in Stansted and you would never have contradicted your teacher, for example, or arrived late or anything like that. It just didn't happen. But I quickly realized hey, pascal, you can't do that. People don't understand the philosophy, because here it was more like a hobby. You offer a hobby course like that. In England, where I was, it was vocational training and not everyone was accepted. It was almost like drama school you know yourself, 800 people auditioning, 12 spots available, like that. And in Stansted back then you had to know someone who was already in a circle and then you were allowed to watch and you were kind of tested to see if you could continue. It was yes, but it's also cool that everything is much more open today, but it was also nice.
Speaker 1:Yes, of course, both have their justification. It is more open now, but perhaps sometimes not as challenging as it was for you back then. You had the tougher school and it made you who you are, and that's great, thank you. Was there something among these things that touched you the most?
Speaker 2:You mean from afterlife contacts or something like that A lot. But something that has stayed in my memory is somehow once that was a young girl, somehow, I remember I came into the office and then the lady who worked in the office with me at the time said hey, we have a request from a 23 year old girl who is dying. She has a terminal illness and would like to have contact with the afterlife. We have to move it up. Are you doing it or are you not doing it? Because then moving it up always meant somehow I had to fit it into my free time. And then, yeah, then I remember this. At first I talked I didn't quite understand what she wanted from me, because I remember saying to the office and saying, yes, but I'm not now. Well, I also learned spiritual healing, but I wasn't the great healer and said, hey, she's in the wrong place with me. She should go to a healer. This isn't her. I always thought she hoped I would heal her, and then I said, no, I don't think that's what it's about. She just wants to have contact with the afterlife. And then my spirit guide gave me an impulse and just said yes, and I always say when they tell me, then I somehow have to make an exception.
Speaker 2:And then I remember I said yes, and then this young woman came and then I looked and then I saw I actually only see her grandma, but that everything is actually resolved. Then I said hey, I have your grandma here, everything is actually resolved. Then she said yes, that's right. And then I thought for a moment to myself now I'm making the emergency appointment, but somehow everything is already resolved. But then the grandmother explained to me no, she's actually here because she's so afraid of dying and she just wants to find out if there really is life after death so she can die in peace. And then I explained it to her. Then she said exactly that's why she's here.
Speaker 2:And then I talked a bit more about grandma and so on. From my perspective it wasn't an outstanding session, but she looked at me afterward and said that was the greatest gift I'm no longer afraid of death, went home then and two days later her parents called and said she really did fall asleep and was able to die and that she was just so peaceful. She was just peaceful the last two days, and that touched me deeply, not even because the contact with the afterlife was somehow totally. I have experienced a thousand more spectacular or intense stories, but just like that I learned that healing can also be when your soul finds peace and you can go to the afterlife simply without fear, without worries, and so on. That is something that deeply touches me, and otherwise I have experienced many funny, crazy stories, but mostly the ones that touch the most were little things where you think, okay, it's not that crazy thank you.
Speaker 1:Work like that. Do you actually hear or feel the thoughts or impulses of the deceased?
Speaker 2:I always say he tells me or she tells me, but in reality it's not like that. This hearing, what many think, yes, like this voice in your head. But this voice in your head, but this voice in your head actually comes from the subconscious. It's actually imagination or fed from the subconscious. I always say he tells me, she tells me, but it's more like a language of images and feelings and not really through hearing. I always say listening is always dangerous because either it is pathological Well, you notice that very quickly or it is our subconscious desire. That is also, for example, when many people work with the spirit guide or the guardian angel or whatever you want to call it, and you receive messages like that, like hearing them but never really knowing what is real or what is not real. This is usually when the person is actually more connected with the subconscious and if you look, the spiritual world can be very, very precise. So also when you really receive clear messages that you can actually prove For example, my spirit guide.
Speaker 2:When we launched the new course we just launched a spirit guide course in the last few days my spirit guide had already told me how many people would sign up and I said that's impossible. That can't be, because that would be almost twice as much as usual. That's not possible. And my spirit spirit guide said yes. And then I remember I said to my team guys, do you know what I got? So strange. Now I'm fully in my fantasy world. There's nothing left. We made so many jokes, yes, but today, um, well, yesterday was the end and we got exactly the number. So we even went a little over and then I thought, um, okay, it's strange, and that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:Um, the spiritual world is precise and we can learn that too, that we say, hey, um, I always give such silly examples because, for instance, we were in a foreign city, my wife and I, the gps failed. Later she says, well, ask your spirit guide, he also knows where, um, we were looking Ruwe, where Ruwe is. Then I say yes, okay, fine, where is Ruwe? And then we just let ourselves be guided left, right, left, like the GPS. So then you're either in front of Ruwe or you're not in front of Ruwe, but in the end you know if you're good or not, and that's how we actually train.
Speaker 2:So this down-to-earth approach, like we saw which planet are you from? Is there also light and love there, things we can't prove. But I want to know from my spirit guide where is roof now? To put it bluntly, or um, during corona, we often did that we would drive somewhere into the forest or something and say, okay, lead us to the most beautiful place here, and then you somehow found an amazing waterfall or something like that, and that was every time. For me, that's training in everyday life and living with the whole thing is just incredibly fun.
Speaker 1:It has a lot to do with trust. You trust completely, and what is also very important is your vessel, Let me put it this way your body must, otherwise none of this would work be fundamentally free of major blockages so that this information can flow in or through you, and then you come into this feeling, hearing, as you call it so that you can truly receive the impulses. It is highly empathetic work, ultimately highly sensitive, so that you can really perceive them, Because if there are thoughts in your head unfortunately also if you have pain in the body, then it distracts from everything. Well, those are, in my opinion, the biggest keys.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, because that is a very good thing which many do not know, including the body. Because when I sometimes say no, a good education takes years and not two or three weekends then sometimes the really clever ones come and say yes, but I've had this since birth. Then I say yes, just seeing things since birth doesn't mean you've sorted it out yourself. Because if, for example, someone is naturally jealous, so and now he tries to read the man, his man, the woman is perhaps naturally constantly suspicious, jealous. There are many patterns and blockages here. She cannot read the man without bias. Now she will be triggered again and again. She will keep falling into the and the therapist also has their patterns and blockages. But they must have recognized and felt them all. Okay, I am being triggered here or I am currently in a pattern or, ideally, have already worked through them, and that takes years. So that's just how it is. Or also the processing.
Speaker 2:Very few people know that If you occasionally see a deceased person naturally and maybe have a contact with the afterlife once a week, a stable psyche can handle that really well. But if that's your job and you do three to five sessions every day, then you also have to have learned how do I process this so that I can stay happy myself? It's the same. When you look at psychologists, there is this saying most psychiatrists and psychologists need a therapist themselves because they are of course in this field every day. And one must also imagine our subconscious. If I, um, as a psychologist, talk about love, problems or illnesses for seven hours a day, our subconscious cannot distinguish. Are we talking about your problems or my own problems?
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely. I agree with you, and unfortunately not many are aware of this yet. But the topic of setting boundaries is another issue. I mean, generally speaking, anything you would say in general that you want to give to you um, for your life on your search for answers so generally, yes, being happy.
Speaker 2:Actually, that that's one thing. The other thing is actually what I, what I learned from my, my main teacher, is always like this, and I want to share this a bit with everyone who is in this, this spiritual field, who might also do a few exercises now and then, or or maybe are just starting out um, my teacher always said do, um, do an exercise a thousand times, and only after you have done it a thousand times judge whether you can do it or not. And only when you have done it a thousand times you may judge whether the exercise do it or not. And only when you have done it a thousand times you may judge whether the exercise is good or not good. And that is my philosophy, because for me it was sometimes the case that we trained an exercise for two and a half years. So always the same, always the same routine, always the same. Then you simply become an absolute expert in it because you have always repeated it. And here, sometimes, when I give a weekend seminar, if I really wanted people to have truly learned something, I would actually have to say a whole weekend, 10 hours, just one exercise, repeating it over and over, always the same, but of course that's not possible. And so we do an exercise once or twice over a weekend, and then people immediately measure themselves and say oh no, I can't do it. I can't do it. And now, yes, you just need to do it nine, nine, nine, nine more times, then you can. But here we have the feeling I know it's the weekend now, I have paid I don't know 300 euros and I can't do it because it didn't work the first time. And that's what I want to convey Do it 1000 times, and when you've done it 1000 times, you will be able to do it. So I think that's also, and I think one of my secret recipes is I don't know if I really A teacher always said you are just above average talented, and I say I don't believe that, but I trained incredibly hard every day because I came from sports. I also did professional sports for a while, and in martial arts I learned as a small child to repeat the same thing over and over again. That is also the reason, for example, for the Aura book.
Speaker 2:I had eight hours to write. Wow, really, yes. And everyone says Handa, wow, amazing. And how do you do it? I say, yes, it's quite simple.
Speaker 2:But I've spent thousands of hours over the last 20 years talking about auras, so I don't have to, like some authors, research for months and who knows what else. So Dames Nezmi is Valder Aura book. The only thing I researched were the stories. I wrote a bit about Egypt and Aura. That was researched and you did that in half an hour.
Speaker 2:But the other thing is for me I only need eight hours. I quickly do the chapter. That's how it has to be and then I just have to write it down. I need about eight hours for 300 pages. That's just the writing time I need.
Speaker 2:But I don't have to develop concepts because I have taught the subject for thousands of hours. So that's why I know the material inside and out. But I can only do so in a very limited area. I can't give a spiritual seminar on, I don't know, resolving patterns and blockages with the help of yoga. I might be able to explain a bit theoretically how it could work, but I'm not an expert in it and I think that's actually how it is, that we should learn to stay in one area and really achieve mastery there. And I see so many people who are at the aura seminar today, then at the spirit guide seminar, then you see them at the angel reading seminar, then at dancing for happiness, they're at forest bathing and here there, you just see these seminar junkies who are simply chasing one certificate after another and have done jesu, jess, exactly, exactly, um, yes, and I think that was my main tip, uh, tip, or to just stay with actives for a few years.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think that esotericism is not fundamentally so bad if you first have to find out where you feel most drawn or where you think you have the most talent, and then go in one direction, into one specialization. I think that's a nice idea direction, into one specialization.
Speaker 2:I think that's a nice idea, Definitely. I mean I also look at the first period before I. Then I always say then I got to know my teachings from England, but before that I was at the craziest seminars. And to feel that, but then to stick with it and not always doubt yourself immediately when something doesn't work, I always find that so unfortunate.
Speaker 1:Yes, the doubts often come from outside, when people tell you you're talking nonsense, you're being crazy or something like that. But we just want to encourage you not to listen to that but to trust. Oh, I could talk to you forever, Pascal. Now I will move on to my final questions which I like to ask at the end of these personal interviews. Please try to answer briefly. It's fine if you want to elaborate a bit, but generally it would be nice to keep it short and concise.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, I am I am 45 years old my life motto is Be happy. Nice Luxury for me is Free time with my wife.
Speaker 1:Getting older means to me.
Speaker 2:All process I go through every day.
Speaker 1:I regret.
Speaker 2:I regret. Is there something I'm just thinking right now, so I'm not saying that if I probably had an hour, I would definitely find something, but nothing comes to mind at the moment, because in the end, yes, I have experienced many things in my life where I say, okay, they were not good, but in the end it always helped me that today I might be at the point where I am, or that I have changed my life. That's why, at the moment, nothing comes to mind where I would say, okay, I regret something. Maybe, yes, if I could live my life again, especially the early days when I worked very, very, very hard, which I really enjoyed, but perhaps I would definitely plan more time with friends from the start, or something like that. That is perhaps the only thing. For a while, I really had very little time for friends and family and so on, but in the end, that also simply brought me to the point where I am today.
Speaker 1:yes, maybe that yes, but you can catch up on that now, can't you?
Speaker 2:absolutely yes. But if I regret now it's in the past. I can only do so.
Speaker 1:That might be the only thing, but yes okay, then let's move on the most touching moment in my life. I mean, you've already talked about the child, the girl. Would you like to share another one, or is there another one?
Speaker 2:yes, I think. Um, definitely, the birth of my son was incredibly touching. Yes, then something else that was somehow touching I also had a student who had a terminal illness and I remember we talked together the day before. She then died that night and she died with a book of mine on on her chest. That somehow such an intense image yes, intense, but there are many things too. What has always touched me.
Speaker 2:For a while I also collected donations for the children's hospice in Switzerland and what I always found very touching was talking to children who have terminal illnesses, so wise as they often are, and what I often noticed is that sometimes very young children, or even when they were five, six, seven and knew, okay, they are going to die, but that they very often almost comforted their own parents or comforted those around them. That was always very touching for me. To experience that one-on-one with the children, but also later, during afterlife contacts, just the strength of these children, because when children die young, it's simply part of the life plan and the soul knows that, and also to understand that dying is not something terrible, it's part of it acceptance, my greatest hope is my greatest hope is that someday this spaced out esotericism will disappear what exactly do you mean by spaced out?
Speaker 2:yes, I don't want to offend anyone, uh, as a, but sometimes uh, there are really things where I say that's so far out, um, yes, okay, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1:I think anyone who has been in the field for a while also roughly knows what you mean exactly, and I don't want to, because everything has its justification in the end. Yes, yes, and above all, everything resonates. So these people whom you just called out there still resonate with other people, or other people with them.
Speaker 2:Or what I think I would wish for is that the therapists disappear, or the people who constantly say there are demons, there are evil spirits, there are possessions, there are souls that are not in the light, and because so much fear is used and that deepens the misery and there I also know why they perceive it that way. To some extent, I just wish that people were better trained and that this constant spreading of fear would stop. I think that was my biggest hope for the spiritual scene.
Speaker 1:This is a societal issue, because we are surrounded by a religion or religions that work exclusively with fear, always with this raised finger. So unfortunately, it goes deeper. I completely underline the wish. You have to start very far back, very, very far back.
Speaker 2:I am an idealist. Maybe in 10,000 years it will get better.
Speaker 1:Yes, you just do it. I mean, look, you're even leaving your color concept now, at least Leitner is. You're leaving so many other beautiful things. That does something for sure. But I have one more question. Love is the beautiful things.
Speaker 2:That does something for sure. But I have one more question. Love is? Love is getting up every morning looking over and thinking the king or queen is lying next to you that's the most beautiful thing, and if I could play fate for a day, then, then I would. I think I would do a lot of crap that day. I would find that pretty awesome.
Speaker 1:Yes, but why crap?
Speaker 2:Well, I also find it funny. My destiny would also be to wish something good for people, but I might also. I imagine myself like a little fate goblin and might also help certain people receive their resonance, which they would eventually get anyway, so that the slap happens.
Speaker 1:So I could imagine that now so inside this quiet Pascal, there's a little, sometimes cries yes, definitely.
Speaker 2:I mean I would be lying. I always say that you can't. Just I have total polarity within me. We are humans, um because, um, I know too many people who say they are holy and enlightened, but just try stealing their wallet, and since they're not so free anymore, yes, I also find that totally healthy.
Speaker 1:I mean, as I said, it's impossible. I believe that a person is made up of exactly these different colors well.
Speaker 2:I mean, I had this illusion at the very beginning, thinking, wow, maybe someday I'll be enlightened and then everything will just be good. Um, so I had this goal until I eventually realized not even the spiritual world has. The fascinating thing is, even the spiritual world judges and condemns. So they may not judge in the way we humans do, but clearly my spirit guide also tells me don't do this, it's not good, or do that, it's good. Doing that is also always forming a judgment, like that.
Speaker 2:And I also believe that the divine order created polarity. Believe that the divine order created polarity. So I think I just believe that there is a god or a divine energy, and it created this yin yang principle on earth and and had a reason for it. And and even when I look at the people who are in training with me, um, if they had never experienced anything bad, they would never reach the point where they say, okay, now I want to do personal development, now I want to start changing. Um, when do we start working on our relationships? When we've had two or three bad relationships, then we think, yeah, either I'm not capable of love or I'm not good enough, I'm not that. And then hopefully, we start working on ourselves so that we can also enter into beautiful relationships and so on, and that's why, as a god of fate, I would also create a bit of friction like that.
Speaker 1:Exciting, exactly More exciting. I would like to get to know.
Speaker 2:I would like to meet, that is, yes, there are some. I would really like to meet Bruce Lee, so I would really like to meet Paulo Coelho. I would really like to meet JK Rowling. So yes, I think JK Rowling, bruce, and then Bruce Lee.
Speaker 1:Why Bruce Lee?
Speaker 2:Well, I'm not a martial artist today. Well, I still do a bit of martial arts for myself, but he was just totally my icon as a child.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, good, okay, then it comes from that direction, I understand.
Speaker 2:Yes, and he was also a very philosophical person which many people don't know.
Speaker 1:I believe that you often do this kind of spot, so that is connected. These people must be centered in their mind and body, otherwise you can't definitely otherwise you can't concentrate the energies in your body and do all that um.
Speaker 2:The greatest opportunity of our time is the greatest opportunity of our time is yes, I believe that we are currently. It sounds so silly, but it is not the easiest time we are in. So so if we look at the cycle now, it is like this but I believe that's where the biggest opportunity is, because we are actually. I always say, everything has cycles and when the cycle is at the top, it can only go down. So we are pretty far down. So for us, for everyone who is currently in great panic and fear, it can't go much lower, maybe a little bit more, but now it can really only go up. So I say now yes, it's a cool time because things are going up now, as you can already see, technological development will make enormous progress. I think what's really important now is not to panic, and also I believe in general that it is again very, very important for countries, for people, to have clear values again, to make clear statements, also to recognize that we this may sound strange that we are not all the same.
Speaker 2:I completely agree with you, because that is the most dangerous thing in this whole spirituality this kind of equality. So, even when we talk about the aura, right, that means so that it's not misunderstood Women are just as valuable as men, of course, but women and men are not the same. This starts when you look at the aura, when you look at the hormones and this. We are all the same. No, that's not the case, and I believe that's the point. We are all equally valuable, definitely, but we are not all the same and, um, I think it's very important to dare to call certain things by their name again, to take a stand again. Um, like that, um, that's a good chance. Um, um, that, um, something like, uh, like what we experienced during the sea time, uh, uh, happens, um, I don't want to go into the topic much, but so that, um, so that we don't have to experience it anymore because it was such a valuable time actually, um, um, how crazy people, um, just because one for and the other against, almost devour each other.
Speaker 1:That was crazy but we learned a lot. We learned a lot during this time and this is also the time when, for example, I really really strongly received impulses from the spiritual world for the leg that it is really important that we all especially because you rightly say think even deeper. You can't go any further, but exactly then it is important that we, in our own way, each for ourselves, and yet collectively, for example in such a tool, are there for the people yes, there you could also work well with the mindset, mindset, so, so, um.
Speaker 2:You just notice like if you keep saying this is bad, this is bad, this is bad, then it will be bad. Or I mean, I never had so much free time. Honestly, I didn't find it such a bad time, but I also live in the countryside.
Speaker 1:I have to say so, if I lived in the city of berlin it might have been different yes, that's true, you can predict that, but it definitely had a lot of potential and we are sitting here today because we used that potential the way we did. But now to my last question. Pascal, it's a pity, but still I have to ask it. My final words should be yes, I was happy.
Speaker 1:Hey, great Everything said briefly and concisely. Thank you very much for this very, very, very nice conversation. I got to know Pascal once again and I am very happy that I was able to record this time with you and that we can share all these wonderful insights from you with others. Thank you for being here, Thank you for being part of it and for supporting Spine, because it is just as important as your work.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much for the invitation and also for the great platform Spine.
Speaker 1:Thank you, thank you.
